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Post by mac on Sept 12, 2016 12:25:46 GMT
Yes I did.
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Post by yanmacca on Sept 12, 2016 12:31:28 GMT
"A stream is a body of water with a current, confined within a bed and stream banks. Depending on its location or certain characteristics, a stream may be referred to as a branch, brook, beck, burn, creek, crick, gill (occasionally ghyll), kill, lick, mill race, rill, river, syke, bayou, rivulet, streamage, wash, run, or runnel." Mac it may have been the genuine article and not a look a like. The Scottish use the term burn in regards to a stream. I am trying to find the names the morass and some falls in the area, the morass name begins with H and the falls begins with the letter E.
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Post by mac on Sept 12, 2016 12:38:37 GMT
I thought it possible it was the man himself. He may tell us. You boys are very worked up over the drainage names. I believe lawyers prefer the term watercourse. Cheers
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Post by azranger on Sept 12, 2016 12:46:11 GMT
That would be me, bc, and Gerry in that photo.
I think there is a natural saddle between Weir and what is called the loaf. When I was there last week I observed that the drainage only follows the road a short distance then the road turns west. I think it is certainly a potential that Custer road down that drainage. It may be called the middle drainage.
As far as SSR you have to ride on top of it. It is a smooth ride but much longer than riding down middle. When you reach MTC all three are close with SSR and Cedar hitting MTC at the same location.
I think Donahue's timing events of a rider going back up is valuable. He states riding up (middle?) takes around 13 minutes and riding back up Cedar Coulée around 24 minutes and SSR should take even longer.
Donahue suggests that time-line events in the valley would favor the 13 minute route.
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Post by azranger on Sept 12, 2016 12:50:29 GMT
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I think east of SSR is possible but at some point Martin can not make it back in time to see Reno in the valley.
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Post by yanmacca on Sept 12, 2016 12:53:34 GMT
Steve I thought it was you, Donahue has shed some weight since he wrote battle-lines and looks all the better for it.
When you say middle, are you referring to middle coulee?
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Post by yanmacca on Sept 12, 2016 13:04:25 GMT
Coulees;
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Post by mac on Sept 12, 2016 13:14:02 GMT
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I think east of SSR is possible but at some point Martin can not make it back in time to see Reno in the valley.
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Steve The timing is a good point AZ. My problem is where Martini is sent back from as he seems to be closer to the battle as time goes on. I would expect Custer to send an order back from where he sees the village rather than move on and then send it back. Nice map Ian! Gotta sleep now. Cheers
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Post by yanmacca on Sept 12, 2016 13:46:26 GMT
See you tomorrow Mac.
I think Martini was sent back just as the column left after its halt while Custer viewed the valley, he would have returned from this trek and issued orders and Martini would then be dispatched.
The main problem then is Kanipe, because if he was a genuine messenger then he would have left just before Custer viewed the valley, so both locations would be close, but this would not be that unusual as Reno virtually did the same when he sent out two men to contact Custer.
But I find the Kanipe message to be a bit fishy, but if these two men were sent back from near the same location, then sending one at the point of halting and a second at the point of leaving does make sense, especially after he sees what he is up against.
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Post by azranger on Sept 12, 2016 14:23:21 GMT
That would be middle coulee. Notice it starts out following the road then the road turns to the left. At that point Custer is close to going to where Thompson states that he saw him.
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Post by azranger on Sept 12, 2016 14:30:49 GMT
Mac
I think east of SSR is possible but at some point Martin can not make it back in time to see Reno in the valley.
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Steve The timing is a good point AZ. My problem is where Martini is sent back from as he seems to be closer to the battle as time goes on. I would expect Custer to send an order back from where he sees the village rather than move on and then send it back. Nice map Ian! Gotta sleep now. Cheers On this last trip to the battlefield (Sept 6) I stopped on the road in MTC. I could not see where SSR meets MTC. I think the ridge between Cedar Coulee and Middle Coulee block it or there is an optical illusion.
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Post by yanmacca on Sept 12, 2016 14:35:49 GMT
Steve I was going to say that the ridge that obscures the point you refer to is Yanmacca Extensions, but that is on the other side of Cedar, but going on your information then could this be where Weir ridge is located?
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Post by azranger on Sept 10, 2019 15:38:28 GMT
Here is a picture taken from Weir and looking down the loaf. On the left is Middle Coulée and on the right Cedar Coulée. The horse is standing in the cut between them and if you use it you will not be visible to the valley. Custer could easily ride down the left side of Middle. Looking at from Wier it obvious that Cedar move upstream MTC and away from the Big Village.
The horse looks like a longhorn.
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Post by azranger on Sept 10, 2019 15:41:11 GMT
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If Custer does a commander recon as Thompson suggests and the 5 companies continue down Middle where would Martin be when he was sent back?
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Post by azranger on Sept 10, 2019 15:47:51 GMT
Mac
I think the movement down MTC was the original goal but after Custer observed the Big Village and came back some troopers (I believe CIL) were sent straight across. Using Martin, Thompson, and Curley along with drawing by Indians and Maguire's map # 4 they all fit or are consistent with all accounts, drawings and maps. That 600 yards area from MTF is in all of them.
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