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Post by quincannon on Jul 5, 2017 23:07:37 GMT
I suppose most of you by know have seen the story making the rounds about the discovery of a photo of Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan in the Marshall Islands circa 1937.
Looks like them to me from what I can see, and it meshes with a long told Marshall Islanders tale. I though take nothing for granted when the History Channel is mentioned.
There will be a special on this coming Sunday, and I intend to watch it.
It seems that the Japanese vessel involved was a special mission ship of some kind, and I know that her particulars are being searched out on a couple of naval sites I frequent. If I hear anything concerning those particulars I will post it here.
I must say though that the two of them in that photo look just a bit too comfortable. That makes me just a bit suspicious, but I guess I will see how the TV show plays out, before I get the bull shit meter in a fine tuned state.
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Post by dave on Jul 5, 2017 23:38:30 GMT
She flew west, got lost, ran out of fuel and crashed into the Pacific. Anything else brings in conspiracies and theories. Pick one place your bet. Regards Dave
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Post by Beth on Jul 5, 2017 23:50:48 GMT
I am a bit suspicious as well for the same reason. I find the identification methods they are using to be questionable. I also wonder how they are going to explain the artifacts that have been found on Nikumaroro
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Post by dave on Jul 6, 2017 0:45:04 GMT
Beth Short of finding an identifiable piece of her airplane or human remains, the Earhart Mystery is a just that a mystery. The possibility of finding such a small airplane in the vast Pacific is beyond comprehension and the odds of her finding parts of her plane on Nikumaroro nee Gardner Island is infinitesimal. I would love tho hear Colt's thoughts as he is a high time aviator.
People use this incident to develop conspiracy theories as fanciful as Booth was supported by the Confederate Secret Service or that Oswald was set up by the Mob. Humans always seek mysteries for entertainment and the truth be damned. Regards Dave PS I am sure the program QC mentioned will be watched by skeptics and believers both. Entertainment!
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Post by mlynn on Jul 6, 2017 0:56:36 GMT
Beth Short of finding an identifiable piece of her airplane or human remains, the Earhart Mystery is a just that a mystery. The possibility of finding such a small airplane in the vast Pacific is beyond comprehension and the odds of her finding parts of her plane on Nikumaroro nee Gardner Island is infinitesimal. I would love tho hear Colt's thoughts as he is a high time aviator. People use this incident to develop conspiracy theories as fanciful as Booth was supported by the Confederate Secret Service or that Oswald was set up by the Mob. Humans always seek mysteries for entertainment and the truth be damned. Regards Dave PS I am sure the program QC mentioned will be watched by skeptics and believers both. Entertainment! Again, Americans love drama, whether it is true or not.
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Post by quincannon on Jul 6, 2017 3:17:51 GMT
Here I go again.
My problem with this is it matches nearly perfectly with the Marshall Islanders stories that I first heard in the 1950's as a teenager.
My problem with this is it matches nearly perfectly with the Marshall Islanders stories that I first heard in the 1950's as a teenager.
No you are not seeing double. It seems to match perfectly with those stories that have been around with very little variation for more than sixty years and perhaps more. Maybe though it is a bit too perfect.
Now it is eighty years this year since her plane went down, and presumably that photo has been in U S Government possession since at least WWII. I will tell you this, when the U S Government wants something to disappear you are not going to find smoking guns in some dusty old file box. Regardless of what you may think of other matters, the people responsible for hiding something, do not hide it, they destroy all traces - ALL TRACES
Another point - Go back to 1937. The Japanese were in hot water internationally about China. They were on everyone's shit list. Now I know the Marshalls were being fortified. I understand why snoopers or suspected snoopers were not welcome, but consider here that we are dealing with arguably the most famous woman in the world. There is absolutely no percentage in taking her prisoner, and ultimately overseeing her death. Had the Japanese found/rescued her and publicly announced it and returned her home the heat would be off them for a good while for what would be considered an outstanding humanitarian gesture. It just does not make any good sense to do otherwise, especially since the USN naval search deeply penetrated the Marshalls and ultimately found out everything that she could have reported.
Another thing is that the Japanese say they have no knowledge of this matter. I tend to believe them, but I also understand that they were pretty darn good in their day of keeping something close hold.
My inclination is that Dave is correct. Again Occam's Razor, the most simple straightforward answer is usually the correct one. In this case it was probably a navigational error that caused her to expend her fuel and go down in the depths of the mid-Pacific.
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on Jul 6, 2017 16:17:27 GMT
Maybe Fred Noonan was the real Jack the Ripper 😉
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Post by quincannon on Jul 6, 2017 18:02:36 GMT
I suppose you have seen the picture David. Do those two people identified as Noonan and Earhart look like prisoners to you. Noonan is yucking it up and Earhart looks like she does not have a care in the world, judging by what she is doing.
And yes Noonan as the TEAL Jack The Ripper needs to be explored along with the Keogh Legging, the Holy Grail, The True Cross of Christ, and the curriculum of Queen's Staff College.
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Post by colt45 on Jul 7, 2017 2:43:13 GMT
The only way to positively say if Earhart was on nikamaruru or howland or the north pole, is to find a piece of the airplane that can be positively tied to her specific electra. That means a part with a serial number or some other unique means of identification. There have been reports of a boot heel found that could have come from Amelia's shoes, but it can't be positively identified. Even finding a piece of aircraft aluminum won't be a positive id unless it was something like a uniquely shaped patch and can be compared to a photo of the original plane. Without a way to uniquely identify a part as being on her plane, we cannot say with certainty she was on any island or even if she ditched in the sea and sank like an anchor.
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Post by quincannon on Jul 7, 2017 3:20:43 GMT
I truly think that someone is going to have a black eye in this business in a very short order.
I just can't get over that photo, it's just a bit too perfect. Nothing in rea life is quite that down pat.
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Post by Beth on Jul 7, 2017 5:01:26 GMT
It looks perfect because we are being guided to think that it looks like Noonan and Earhart, it's playing on the suggestibility of our minds. In reality it is a fuzzy photo of a man with a receding hairline and possibly a woman on a pier. The receding hairline pattern isn't all that unique as to be something you can make an identification on. It's just man pattern baldness and if you look at pictures of Custer, Cary Grant or even James Cagney they have a similar pattern. As for the woman, if it is a woman, it might be a boy how needs a haircut. However if it is a woman which I kind of think as more likely, she has hair it pulled nearly straight back from the face and has a heavy bulk in the back, not at all like Earnhart's hair. That hair appears more like a woman with her long hair in a net or snood or even something like a chignon, a style you've all seen from the 30's but might not know what it is called. It does not look like Earhart's hair which is short and layered, probably to fit better under her aviator cap.
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Post by quincannon on Jul 7, 2017 15:41:57 GMT
The problem with the Earhart mystery, and all the others that attract our attention. The Templar treasure, Custer's tactical abortion, the Alamo, the Holy Grail, the True Cross, the Shroud of Turin, they and all the rest that have bedeviled us down through the ages need solving we say. We want them solved in our conscience external, but would really prefer them to remain as they are in the sub-conscience little place all of us keep hidden from the world at large.
Earhart's hair cut reminds me of what I said to our new rector his first Sunday on the job. Get a haircut, you look like a girl, and you ain't in Alabama any more. We expect our leaders to set the example. The next Sunday hair was no longer an issue. There is something to be said in letting these people know that they work for us, not us for them, and pussyfooting ain't the answer, never will be. My statement to him also put him on notice that none of that touchy-feely bushwa guitar plucking praise bull shit would be tolerated in a bastion of enlightened conservatism.
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Post by mlynn on Jul 7, 2017 16:00:51 GMT
The problem with the Earhart mystery, and all the others that attract our attention. The Templar treasure, Custer's tactical abortion, the Alamo, the Holy Grail, the True Cross, the Shroud of Turin, they and all the rest that have bedeviled us down through the ages need solving we say. We want them solved in our conscience external, but would really prefer them to remain as they are in the sub-conscience little place all of us keep hidden from the world at large.
Earhart's hair cut reminds me of what I said to our new rector his first Sunday on the job. Get a haircut, you look like a girl, and you ain't in Alabama any more. We expect our leaders to set the example. The next Sunday hair was no longer an issue. There is something to be said in letting these people know that they work for us, not us for them, and pussyfooting ain't the answer, never will be. My statement to him also put him on notice that none of that touchy-feely bushwa guitar plucking praise bull shit would be tolerated in a bastion of enlightened conservatism. The fun of a mystery is trying to solve it. The fun ends when you get the answer. Then, a mystery lover must move on to a new puzzle to solve.
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Post by quincannon on Jul 7, 2017 16:02:03 GMT
Exactly.
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Post by Beth on Jul 7, 2017 18:04:11 GMT
QC is a great supporter of Father Brown Mysteries, while I prefer Agatha Christie and Miss Marple. Perhaps that is a statement somewhat on our character? We are who we read?
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