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Post by dave on Jan 25, 2017 20:40:47 GMT
Yan My friend you are a "Cartographer" of the first scale and a real blessing for those challenged by all the land marks being mentioned. Thank you so much for your time and efforts. Regards Dave
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Jun 11, 2018 14:55:18 GMT
Mike Bonafede Map, 1999. Chuck sorry this took so long, it took me 2 days to find the map. I even had trouble locating the stretched "W". I discussed it with Steve this AM we both feel that the casings are from a skirmish line dismount on the way North. Wolf Tooth? Gall's first attempt? I wish I had a means of scanning for all to see. If Ian has the Bonafede map maybe he could do it. Dave might be the ticket as well, he probably has some connections in Oxford and he is the one who got me my copy of the map. I hope Steve can expand on his thoughts.
Regards, Tom
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Post by azranger on Jun 11, 2018 15:49:42 GMT
Final countdown. Truck is basically packed but I keep remember things to throw in. I think if you go down Middle Coulée and then go almost straight across you will see the climb up toward Luce and from there Nye Cartwright. Continue on and you cross Deep Ravine and come out close to Calhoun Hill. I think the action occurred on the way north.
Today is take care of personal business day.
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Steve
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Post by quincannon on Jun 11, 2018 16:45:16 GMT
I have no doubt the stretched W indicates action taking place on the way north toward Calhoun Hill.
For those who have the Bonafides the location of the stretched W is on Luce Ridge just below a small completely enclosed contour line, indicating a small hilltop on Luce Ridge, and on the west side of that hilltop and ridge. What does it indicate in terms of whom did what to whom? I don't know.
a) Were it addressing targets to the east side of the ridge, where we would presume Wolf Tooth to be, the soldier firing would be uphill, and the targets would be close upon the skirmish line.
b) If the firing line indicated by the W was facing west, I suppose it could be Gall or some others (Unknown) but if that is the case Custer is already cut off but not yet surrounded, and is inconsistent with sending Martini back or Boston Custer reaching Custer, and totally at odds with what Martini says he saw on his way back.
c) If the W indicates firing at Wolf Tooth, and he is on the west side of the ridge then two things come into play:
1) Everything I said about it being Gall or some other persons unknown would also apply if it is Wolf Tooth in that location.
2) The JSIT related adventures of Wolf Tooth are off a country mile in terms of what Wolf Tooth relates about his visuals from early on in the battle.
In short the location of the skirmish line indicated by the cartridge artifacts makes no sense to me. There is something here that is being missed and I just can't put my finger on it.
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Post by yanmacca on Jun 11, 2018 18:30:18 GMT
I have tried to focus in on that W, but the clarity is poor, but you can make it out;
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Post by yanmacca on Jun 11, 2018 18:40:03 GMT
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Jun 11, 2018 18:58:18 GMT
Ian, both renderings are excellent, thank you.
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Post by yanmacca on Jun 11, 2018 19:04:57 GMT
Thank you Tom. If you look at the Bonafede map and see that funny shaped W, just cast your eyes over to the left and down a little and you will see a small cluster of blue artifacts, about 10, are these possible army cartridges?
If you also look at the W and you can see how it could link up with the strip of finds on N/C ridge. If the column used east ridge then you can see how the W snakes out to the right, virtually down a draw which leads you up to east ridge, it looks like a natural corridor.
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Post by quincannon on Jun 11, 2018 21:03:05 GMT
So the question remains. What do those cartridges represent? Who were they shooting at? Why is the cartridge location inconsistent with what else we do know, especially the Martini testimony of the events leading up to and following his departure?
The ramifications of those soldiers shooting toward the west are very significant, if in fact that was the direction of fire.
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Post by mac on Jun 12, 2018 9:38:58 GMT
I do not understand where this is coming from but it is interesting. Is the W a label or is it the finds locations that make a W shape? Cheers
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Jun 12, 2018 10:41:15 GMT
Look at Ian, first rendering the blue dots scrawl an extended "W" near Luce Ridge at about 3300' on the map. Click on the magnifying glass. It is not the only marking for casings as the command appears to be moving north towards Calhoun.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Jun 12, 2018 10:42:24 GMT
I asked Steve if these were Weibert's find.
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Post by azranger on Jun 12, 2018 14:52:24 GMT
Getting ready to leave a day early but it will help break up the first 800 miles and I can stop in Monument Valley on the way.
Some of the findings are Luce's. If you follow that big ridge back toward MTC it right across from Middle Coulée. Hopefully get some pictures on the 18th. I will be riding Real Bird horses and Will Hutchison is going also.
I am taking my laptop and I hope the 7th Ranch Wifi is up and running. I have list of things to look at and will check on the board.
Regards
Steve
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Post by azranger on Jun 12, 2018 14:54:45 GMT
Truck is packed and the 7th Ranch cabin is waiting for me.
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Post by yanmacca on Jun 12, 2018 18:35:49 GMT
Steve, that scene could easily be in the bunkhouse in the high chaparral.
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