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Post by quincannon on Jun 18, 2018 18:15:35 GMT
Mac: If initial contact was from the rear, and they were catching up, that would indicate splitting and crossing behind, which is even better tactics, if your intent was slowing down the column. It is far easier for a column to deploy to meet this threat from the front and flank, than it is to the rear and flank.
Red Hawk makes a solid case for the three companies to be C-I-L, but I think it still possible that he may have been looking at C-I-F. It takes belief that Company F was caught on LSH withdrawing from down below on Cemetery or BRE, in much the same way we think Company I was caught. Not saying I believe the latter just yet, but I am at the same time not able to close the door on it just yet.
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Post by yanmacca on Jun 18, 2018 19:09:31 GMT
Let it go and keep your comments to yourself, I was answering to Tom otherwise I would have not wrote a thing about what has happened previously. You said you wouldn't insult me and you have done, trouble with you is that you have been an officer too long and one of the things that I have always thought was your failing is that you don't like to be challenged on anything. If you were my commander I would be writing my transfer request now rather than later. You said yesterday that some people thought you was a P----, well I don't like that word and I wouldn't call you that, but I am a stubborn man who won't take a backward step on anything.
So if you don't mind I have been helping Mac with his work and I don't need any distractions, so let it go!
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Post by quincannon on Jun 18, 2018 20:28:35 GMT
Tom didn't need an answer. He was not looking for one. He was telling you that the subject was important, and by implication to drop it, because you were not going to win, and to me, it was quite likely that I was not going to get through to you. Tom was correct, for you will repeat this same mistake day after tomorrow, and I will then be as equally frustrated with you then as I am now.
I don't mind being challenged at all, but I expect to be challenged by those who know what they are talking about. You don't qualify.
Get yourself qualified, and we will speak of it later.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Jun 18, 2018 21:15:20 GMT
Let's get back on topic, Steve took the ride this morning, that I had hoped to take. One of the Real Birds, Will Hutchison www.amazon.com/Artifacts-Battle-Little-Big-Horn/dp/0764351478/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8 and a lady from Australia joined him. The stretched "W" follows a terrain feature below Luce. Steve is very engaged in the day to day of being at the battlefield during this week in June and may not rejoin the board for a week or so.
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Post by quincannon on Jun 18, 2018 22:11:48 GMT
Now what would be interesting to learn given the artifacts on that hillock you described to me on the phone Tom, is if in taking that W feature to use as a skirmish position, the came up toward it from the west, or back to it from the east.What would also be of interest is to determine the direction of fire, from which side of the W feature the artifacts were found. Ask Steve when you talk to him if he knows. I believe he once said that someone, can't remember who, put pins in the ground indicating the places that artifacts were found. Also ask him if he has any thoughts on which company(ies) were at the W location. Depending upon which formation the battalion was in, (like say a box or staggered box), it may just be possible that the Luce action and the N-C action were being fought at the same time
Mac: Do you have an an exact location from which Red Hawk made and recorded his observation of the three "divisions"
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Post by yanmacca on Jun 18, 2018 22:17:24 GMT
Let's get back on topic, Steve took the ride this morning, that I had hoped to take. One of the Real Birds, Will Hutchison www.amazon.com/Artifacts-Battle-Little-Big-Horn/dp/0764351478/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8 and a lady from Australia joined him. The stretched "W" follows a terrain feature below Luce. Steve is very engaged in the day to day of being at the battlefield during this week in June and may not rejoin the board for a week or so. Hi Tom, I thought that Steve would be enjoying himself in the field so I sent Mac some of the distances he was asking for, I think they were just the ones he needed for the job in hand and hopefully we shall see the results soon.
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Post by mac on Jun 19, 2018 4:57:43 GMT
Mac: If initial contact was from the rear, and they were catching up, that would indicate splitting and crossing behind, which is even better tactics, if your intent was slowing down the column. It is far easier for a column to deploy to meet this threat from the front and flank, than it is to the rear and flank. Red Hawk makes a solid case for the three companies to be C-I-L, but I think it still possible that he may have been looking at C-I-F. It takes belief that Company F was caught on LSH withdrawing from down below on Cemetery or BRE, in much the same way we think Company I was caught. Not saying I believe the latter just yet, but I am at the same time not able to close the door on it just yet. First Ian has given me some data that would suggest that the measurement I gave previously was about right. With respect to the above. I will post more tonight hopefully but I seem to recall Wolftooth saying that after Custer went down to Ford D Wolftooth occupied LSH area and shot down on the soldiers. I am pondering now that maybe Company F went to the peak of LSH initially to retake that ground. If I remember correctly Wolftooth and his crew moved East off LSH. More later. Cheers
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Jun 19, 2018 9:27:01 GMT
Steve took camera, GPS, and rangefinder, our conversation was brief. I also hope he gets into the White Swan Memorial Library www.friendslittlebighorn.com/firststonehousephoto.htm We discussed the staggered box and I would say for functionality/protection that would be the ticket.
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Post by mac on Jun 19, 2018 11:42:52 GMT
I have started a new thread for this discussion in this Basics section. Probably not suitable to keep it going here. Cheers
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Post by yanmacca on Jun 19, 2018 16:55:45 GMT
Mac, thought I would place this here so not to take the emphisis off your work on your new thread. I have paced our old friend the funny W onto this map to see if it fits;
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Jun 19, 2018 20:35:24 GMT
Mac, why not?
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Post by mac on Jun 19, 2018 22:10:57 GMT
My care level is low Tom but I just thought it is a Map thread and so in the future no one will look here for stuff other than maps.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Jun 19, 2018 22:54:48 GMT
My care level is lower, but the info dovetails.
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Post by yanmacca on May 7, 2019 18:31:58 GMT
I thought that Clairs map should go here for future reference. I have included another map of area which has no locations noted, just for clever buggers.
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Post by azranger on May 13, 2019 11:50:32 GMT
Looking at the blue line you added above and extends to far toward that dirt tank. That line makes it look like they rode up that drainage. The artifact map has them at the head of the drainage which can be accessed by a lateral movement from that faint trail you can see. On the artifact map there is a white elevation line at 3200 feet there is only one blue dot below the 3200 line. The blue dots indicate either cartridges or cases found.
The extended blue line is over the vegetation in the drainage leading to the upper end of dirt tank. I don't think they would be in the bottom of the drainage riding through vegetation or whatever was rough enough to cause the coloration on the map.
To me it is more likely that as they topped out the Indians were in position to fire at them. I will post a zoomed in picture later of the artifact map.
Heading out to Chino Valley to do some armorer work for the annual inspection of Department SIG P320 handgun, Remington 870 shotgun, and S&W AR-15 carbine.
Regards
Steve
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