MAPs Thread

[yanmacca]

Beth you will have to explain more about the maps you requested and I will work closely with you to achieve the results, as this is new ground for me.

[Beth]

Jan 21, 2017 17:28:07 GMT yanmacca said:

Ford D [including the old river course] ;

Great job Ian.  If Kellogg's body used to be near the old entrance it would have been relatively close to the river's end.  I wonder were Squaw Creek used to run (Though I believe the name might have been changed).  I came across an account that stated the women and children were in that area and wondered if it was the same creek we have found references to in the Ford D area.

[yanmacca]

Beth have a look at this map, it shows how close you were with your analysis as the map says Sq**w chasing creek instead of Sq**w creek and see how close it is to the river and the Kellogg position;

[Beth]

I am confused because I don't think that position for Kellogg's body is the same as the one Steve mentions being visible in an old picture near the old entrance.

I really need to get this clarified in my head.

I thought this was the old entrance road (red) and the blue is possible area of Kellogg's body.

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[Beth]

I am beginning to fear that I have the wrong mental image of the Ford D movement. So I have taken a page from Ian and mapped what I thought we were talking about. I did two possible routes, red and blue. I also wonder if it is at all possible that Squaw Creek is part of the new flow of the LBH, that when the river cut through to the lower route, it did so where the creek and river were the closest. Water will always take the easiest way between two points.  



Never underestimate how easy Ian makes adding these maps look.

[yanmacca]

You are doing a fine job Beth, it does get easier the more you make, but it is time consuming.

Now google maps has Squaw creek running along this route, but it looks as if it has been partially filled in by the farmer as it disappears as it gets to that line where the 90 is, but it is still possible to trace its old route and I have drew in the route it took in 1876.

Now Kellogg's body was found in a few places, and to be honest I too am confused to which location is correct, but if Steve can nail it for me, I will post it on a new version of this map and that will show us both the location of Squaw Creek and where Kellogg was found;

[yanmacca]

Well Greg you asked for it, I think the Indian pony herd was located around here, but I will amend the image if it is wrong, any suggestions [and keep them clean, please].

[Beth]

Jan 21, 2017 17:34:31 GMT yanmacca said:

Beth you will have to explain more about the maps you requested and I will work closely with you to achieve the results, as this is new ground for me.

we can discuss it on a PM, so not to drag down the thread.  I know it's doable at least through Microsoft Power Point because Kid 2 does it all the time but I have to figure out how to share the powerpoint--perhaps youtube would work.  I will discuss it with Kid 2 but not this weekend.  She has been squirreled away in her room working on a big project for school and just comes out occasionally when she needs food or water.

[yanmacca]

I have used power point in the past Beth, but not for photo work or adding images to a web site, but if you can suss it out with your daughters help then I will certainly have a go.
We are on our lonesome now as everyone has flew the nest and it used to be great when all I had to do for some computer advice was drag one of them off their computer game, now it's either via e-mail or during the odd weekend visit, it is quieter now we do miss them though.

[deadwoodgultch]

Ian, for your horses.

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[yanmacca]

Thanks Tom, I have never heard of Grace Porter before, she really stripped the song back to just piano, voice and percussion, nice touch.

[Beth]

Jan 22, 2017 12:13:00 GMT yanmacca said:

You are doing a fine job Beth, it does get easier the more you make, but it is time consuming.

Now google maps has Squaw creek running along this route, but it looks as if it has been partially filled in by the farmer as it disappears as it gets to that line where the 90 is, but it is still possible to trace its old route and I have drew in the route it took in 1876.

Now Kellogg's body was found in a few places, and to be honest I too am confused to which location is correct, but if Steve can nail it for me, I will post it on a new version of this map and that will show us both the location of Squaw Creek and where Kellogg was found;

I thought it might just end because of a culvert diverting it under the highway but found a county map Big Horn County Map that shows it just ends.  I don't think a farmer would have filled it in because the water is still going to run that way from the hills.  In Iowa you would tile the field and drain the area to another area but I suspect it would be too expensive for not much gain in that area because the area would only be wet for short periods of time.  Aha! that bit in the field actually drains into Squaw Creek and the Creek runs nearly straight north paralleling the highway and actually joins the LBH closer to the Trading post.  You can see at points it's been straightened possibly because of the rail road.   There is also a dry river/creek bed that comes from the current creek that has been diverted at some point again around the railroad.  It's kind of hard to tell at some points because these pictures were taken in the winter and you can see snow and ice in some places.  It does show Squaw Creek has water in it for quite a bit of it's route though so it's a pretty major drainage  The green is the old road coming off the highway, Red is what I believe the current Squaw Creek (Look at a bigger map and you can trace it back to the bend) Black is the old dry creek bed that has been diverted by the RR (yellow)

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[Beth]

I know I posted these backwards but this shows the bend in Squaw Creek.  You can see it curves around an area of height.  Anyone who wants to follow it themselves.  I have been working with this google map   And the red line all  by itself is just a mistake I forgot to get rid of--sorry about that.

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[Beth]

Jan 22, 2017 19:15:43 GMT yanmacca said:

Well Greg you asked for it, I think the Indian pony herd was located around here, but I will amend the image if it is wrong, any suggestions [and keep them clean, please].

I believe Ian that you need to go a bit up and to the left-- a bench an area is raised from the valley floor-- caused a river or stream but it's not as steep or high enough to be a called a bluff.  If you look and see a bit of a scalloped looking edge you are seeing the rise and beyond that would be considered a bench.

[yanmacca]

Good morning Beth, I see you have been busy, which is great.

I can see by the work you have done that you have found more of Squaw Creek then I have, my eyes are old you know.

But have a look at these two maps and see if they correspond with one and other, the first is the painted map and it actually names Squaw Chasing Creek, so I have highlighted it in red, the second is a google earth map and it also has a water course virtually in the same place as the painted map, so I have highlighted this too, now do you think that these are the same seasonal water courses?