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Post by BrevetorCoffin on May 18, 2017 13:51:44 GMT
As I said this was not an out and out statement of political commentary, Beth's post was to the point! Regards, Tom I did try to keep this one sort of in line with topic. Merely pointing out that both men knew how to use contemporary to their advantage. Best, David
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Post by dave on May 18, 2017 13:55:07 GMT
Circling back to the idea that GAC might have been a political candidate after successful campaign in the summer of 1876. I fail to see George having the capability of going from the Lord and Master of the 7th to being just a small fish in a big sea if he had been elected to congress. Can't you just see sitting in his office chanting "I am special, I am special, I am special?"
Custer was more naive than Grant and would have been badly used by political hacks and lobbyists and disgraced fairly soon. I think of Duke Cunningham's problems and believe Custer would have been as susceptible to the flattery and bribes as it is expensive to live in Washington, DC. Am I being too harsh of GAC? Regards Dave
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on May 18, 2017 13:57:31 GMT
Left out the word 'media' above.
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Post by quincannon on May 18, 2017 14:00:37 GMT
Custer for the political class was what Lenin and Stalin would call a useful idiot, until the time that he was no longer useful.
I agree with Dave. Custer, Cunningham, and many others were cut from the same bolt of cloth. Useful idiots.
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on May 18, 2017 14:02:25 GMT
Circling back to the idea that GAC might have been a political candidate after successful campaign in the summer of 1876. I fail to see George having the capability of going from the Lord and Master of the 7th to being just a small fish in a big sea if he had been elected to congress. Can't you just see sitting in his office chanting "I am special, I am special, I am special?" Custer was more naive than Grant and would have been badly used by political hacks and lobbyists and disgraced fairly soon. I think of Duke Cunningham's problems and believe Custer would have been as susceptible to the flattery and bribes as it is expensive to live in Washington, DC. Am I being too harsh of GAC? Regards Dave I think Custer may have seen Congress as a stepping stone to higher office. Agree that he would have been fair game for political hacks but the man did know how to write and use the media to further his agenda. Remember that you made this a hypothetical if Custer had won. He would likely have been at the peak of popularity. Best, David
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Post by quincannon on May 18, 2017 14:13:40 GMT
He didn't win and the potential dissolving of the United States Government would have to wait until the 21st Century. God works in mysterious ways.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on May 18, 2017 14:16:51 GMT
I would bet GAC would have had a longer honeymoon.
Regards, Tom
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Post by deadwoodgultch on May 18, 2017 14:18:34 GMT
God had/has nothing to do with it. Just ask anybody!
Regards, Tom
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Post by yanmacca on May 18, 2017 14:29:27 GMT
The nearest thing the US has had to GAC as a president would be GWB [junior]
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on May 18, 2017 15:30:20 GMT
Ian, fyi "W"'s dad is George H. W. Bush so I do not believe he would be considered 'Junior'.
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Post by yanmacca on May 18, 2017 17:52:25 GMT
Which is the one who invaded Iraq with Tony Blair, that's the one who I am talking about or have I "misunderestimated" him.
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Post by quincannon on May 18, 2017 18:03:20 GMT
Both of them (The Bushes) were good men. Both men of strong principle and character.
Both men also had failings, the second more than the first.
Both did what they thought to be right.
Both beat a total of three men whom in my estimation were not as capable of doing as good a job.
History will treat both better in time than the present treated them in their time.
I could sit down and have a beer with either or both of them and be honored by the experience.
I would have considered both my adversaries, but neither my enemy.
Custer on the other hand was a man possessing neither character or principle. If I sat down in his presence it would be just after I had kicked him in the groin and shit in his face. His personal conduct was a disgrace to the uniform he wore and to the United States Army.
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on May 18, 2017 18:14:45 GMT
Which is the one who invaded Iraq with Tony Blair, that's the one who I am talking about or have I "misunderestimated" him. George HW invaded Iraq in 1991. George W in 2003 which I believe is about the time Tony Blair was your PM.
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Post by yanmacca on May 18, 2017 18:16:29 GMT
I always thought that Bill Clinton would be a good guy to share a pint with as he seems more approachable, the Bushes seem a bit aloof to me.
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Post by quincannon on May 18, 2017 18:34:37 GMT
Bill Clinton was a master politician, probably the best retail politician of his age, and also a charming scoundrel. Definitely a guy who you would not wish to see your sister date.
Both of the Bushes, despite that Texas bullshit they cover themselves with were in reality both East Coast Yale educated upper crust establishment. Both were more at home at a table down at Mori's and the place where Louie dwells, than the dust of a rodeo arena. Both more at home at the Temple Bar than Temple, Texas. Both however were honorable men, and both married above their station.
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