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Post by deadwoodgultch on May 25, 2017 18:10:24 GMT
We have strayed a long way from Little Bighorn to Lewdness. A section for the 1776 incident would be great ( I do not think there is one??) especially for Cowpens aka how Mel Gibson won the war. Cheers Gone off Gibson as he seemed to enjoy making films about how bad the English were [have you noticed how people always say the English and not the British?] Anyway here is four Gibson films in which he showed the English in a bad light and some times in a totally inaccurate way. Braveheart Gallipoli The Bounty The Patriot I do like we were soldiers though, probably his best film. Of those you don't like I wonder how many he produced or directed and did he have a say in the screen play. I guess what am asking was he soldier in the field taking orders or involved in the logistics?He directed Bravehart, Peter Weir directed both The Bounty and Galipoli he is an Australian, so was the producer, The Patriot was directed by a German(Roland Emeric).
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Post by Beth on May 25, 2017 18:27:11 GMT
Which ones he starred in or directed and produced is easy to find. He used to have the clot to have a say in the films he started in. I am unsure if he has rebuilt that clot after some of his highly visible meltdowns in years past. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Gibson_filmography
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Post by quincannon on May 25, 2017 19:57:19 GMT
Back to the non-defense of my idiot nephew.
Stephen Decatur, one of my personal heroes, made a statement, one which I will go into presently.
Decatur for those not knowing, was an American Naval officer in the early part of the 19th Century. Among his many accomplishments was taking the ketch USS Intrepid with a hand picked crew into Tripoli Harbor, boarding, and recapturing the USS Philadelphia, then burning her to the water line so that Philadelphia may be of no further use to the pirates that captured her when she had gone aground. During the incident Decatur's life was saved by one Reuben James, who has himself become the "everyman" sailor in U S Naval history.
Decatur once remarked:
"My Country, may she always be right, but my country right or wrong"
It was Decatur that was wrong. There is nothing wrong with the first part of that statement, but there is everything wrong with the second part.
It is the height, indeed the extreme height of patriotism to recognize when your country is wrong, and speak about it publicly. It is an immoral act to do otherwise. You will not win any popularity contest. No one will be breaking down the doors to join your fan club. Some son of a bitch may decide to hang you from the nearest tree. What you will be though is a patriot.
What you are if you support your country when it is clearly wrong is a liar, even if you are only lying to yourself. What you are if you do not support your country when it is wrong is a person of unimpeachable integrity. You may be jailed, you may be spit upon, you may be dead, but you are also one of the very few totally honest men on the planet.
So this Memorial Day, there will be now flowers or flags on grave sites placed there by me. Those in those graves already know their country remembers them, and knew under which flag they fought. They need no reminder for those things are etched into their souls. What I will spend the day in doing is remembering the cause and reason for which they fought. I think they would be most appreciative of that.
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May 25, 2017 20:28:28 GMT
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on May 25, 2017 20:28:28 GMT
No I am speaking about lewdness. Obviously you take me for a person with a well defined and calibrated moral compass. Such is not the case. I am an Episcopalian. I am raised same, red doors and all. There is a reason for the moniker "Whiskeypalion." I attend a very tolerant evangelical church nowadays called The Vineyard. I look forward to meeting you some day as well as some of these other miscreants 😉
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Post by quincannon on May 25, 2017 20:46:17 GMT
And I the same with you.
I am glad you understood that post. It would be lost on most.
The Episcopal Denomination is one that does not define or calibrate your moral compass for you. It serves only to provide the tools for you to define and calibrate it for yourself
I may have told you this story before. If I did forgive me for telling it again.
I was raised RC. After my divorce, I also felt that I had also been divorced from a church I loved and still do. I strayed away from religion for fifteen years, feeling unwanted by those I considered my own. I started attending church with Joan about fifteen years later. There was a poster on the bulletin board in the hallway of our parish house. showing Christ crucified that read - "Christ died to redeem your sins, not to steal your mind" I probably passed that sign a hundred times before I stopped to read it and let the message sink in. I became an Episcopalian in spirit that day, and was received the following May.
My purpose in relating this so everyone understand is not to peddle religion. It is related so that all may know that no one has the right to steal your mind. It is yours, and your temporal salvation depends upon your keeping control of it, in the same way many of us, you probably most included David, realize that our eternal salvation depends upon it as well. The mind is a terrible thing to waste or have controlled for you. Don't.
When you are up to it, you really must come to the Feast of Saint Arnold, the patron saint of beer, that we hold on the grounds every year in June. It's coming up in a few weeks. We expect about 3000 people this year and the proceeds all go to West Side Cares, a local food pantry.
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May 25, 2017 21:18:56 GMT
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on May 25, 2017 21:18:56 GMT
Would love to but the name of the feast was cut off in your post. Loved the statement about 'your mind'.
The church I attend now is all about The Journey, not so much the end game.
PS: I still have my Episcopalian Book of Prayer signed by Roger Blanchard, Bishop of Southern Ohio back in 1970.
Best,
David
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Post by yanmacca on May 26, 2017 11:37:01 GMT
I must say that I feel proud to be one of the generation who thought that sectarianism was wrong, as we saw how the adults use to act when Catholics and Protestants mixed. You would see the sparks fly is a couple from both faiths married, but I soon discovered that most of the people who were kicking up a fuss were from Irish immigrant families. But we as kids had no problem with playing around with kids from another faith, to us it was a load of balls and I must say that some of the adults who adhered to this sectarianism, went down in my estimation.
One example was a good friend of mine who I knocked about with from nursery school up to the present, and he fell in love and married a girl, the problem was that he was a Catholic and she was a Protestant and to find out that his own father said to him on him on wedding day that this was not a marriage in his eyes, really annoyed me, because his father never even went to church and by the way was born in Ireland.
BTW: They are divorced now.
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Post by dave on May 26, 2017 14:55:58 GMT
If not mistaken, the prayer read over Trooper John Smith in She Wore A Yellow Ribbon was from The Book of Common Prayer of The Episcopal Church was it not? Regards Dave
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Post by quincannon on May 27, 2017 21:22:40 GMT
I don't know.
What I do know is that the Book of Common Prayer used by the Episcopal Church goes back as far as 1549, but it has been revised many times over the centuries. The current one was revised in 1979, and the edition in effect when that movie was filmed is 1928.
It was revised two or three times in the 19th Century and that would be the correct one for the period.
I do not, nor does Joan have a copy of any of those for the 19th century, but what I can tell you is this.
It would not surprise me if the Book of Common Prayer was used as depicted in the film in an accurate manner. The Episcopal denomination was prevalent in the Army at the time, and to the best of my knowledge there was also a soldier's prayer book published along the same lines as the Gideons publish bibles for hotel rooms today, and I would expect that a lot of the prayers contained in those pray books were extracted from the Book of Common Prayer.
Without having at hand both the movie and the appropriate edition I have no means to compare the two, but what I will say, is that the original 1549 edition was an outgrowth of the Protestant Revolution in England, and when Mary came in she nixed the idea bringing back Catholicism. She was followed by Elizabeth who reinstated the prayer book, but with what some clergy people call the great compromise, shaped it to the point where both the Protestant who wanted nothing to do with the traditional liturgy, and the traditional who felt more comfortable with the traditional liturgy would both be reluctantly happy. In the centuries since the driving trend is to make the Episcopal Church less protestant and more liturgical, and it is still a work in progress as there is a new Book of Common Prayer edition in the works.
You are correct to assume that the funeral service is contained in the Book, as well as all of the other Sacramental services along with the Order of Worship Rite I (traditional) and Rite II (more contemporary)
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Post by Elwood on May 16, 2023 20:32:34 GMT
Stephen Decatur, one of my personal heroes
My hometown in Texas named for him. Just north of Ft. Worth.
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