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Post by herosrest on Mar 28, 2023 20:41:17 GMT
The Wiki needs an update for Quentin.
Quentin Roosevelt I (November 19, 1897 – July 14, 1918) was the youngest son of President Theodore Roosevelt and First Lady Edith Roosevelt. Inspired by his father and siblings, he joined the United States Army Air Service where he became a pursuit pilot during World War I.[1] He was killed in aerial combat over France on Bastille Day (July 14), 1918.
He is the only child of a U.S. president to have died in combat.
Actually the eldest and youngest sons died in France in the different WW's.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 28, 2023 20:47:03 GMT
Unique, in that Father and son MOH?
One that comes to mind is Arthur and Douglas MacArthur. Arthur earned his, I believe at Missionary Ridge. His son ran away on a PT boat to get his. Yes, he was ordered away, but if he had a spine he would have told the President to take his order and shove it up his ass, then stayed with his troops. They did not call him Dougout Doug without reason HR. A disgrace. All Show, No Go.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 28, 2023 20:48:15 GMT
The Wiki article is correct. Teddy Jr. was a non-battle casualty.
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Post by miker on Mar 28, 2023 21:03:41 GMT
Pretty. MacArthur and son was well, again as I recall.
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Post by herosrest on Mar 28, 2023 22:12:35 GMT
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Post by herosrest on Mar 28, 2023 22:25:50 GMT
Unique, in that Father and son MOH? One that comes to mind is Arthur and Douglas MacArthur. Arthur earned his, I believe at Missionary Ridge. His son ran away on a PT boat to get his. Yes, he was ordered away, but if he had a spine he would have told the President to take his order and shove it up his ass, then stayed with his troops. They did not call him Dougout Doug without reason HR. A disgrace. All Show, No Go. I don't know enoughto judge. That said, I will happily discuss the logic of the twin routes to Pacific victory. His SW Pacific strategy effectively destroyed his strategy. Isolate and bypass... Hmmmm... Still what do I know 🤠
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Post by quincannon on Mar 29, 2023 0:46:24 GMT
His mistake I think was getting tied down in New Guinea much too long. The way to beat the Japanese in the Southwest Pacific was to destroy their logistics pipeline. We, and the Australians, wasted too many lives fighting for a place with no value, if it is only held by starving troops.
MacArthur was fixated on a return to the Philippines. They too had no real value in war winning, from our point of view. The main attack ought to have been straight across the Central Pacific, with the SW PAC a side show, designed only to tie down the Japanese Army, making the Central drive much easier.
My take anyway, and it was also that of Chester Nimitz, but historians don't pay much attention to Nimitz's views because CENTPAC was his theater, and they feel he was overly prejudiced. It is possible to be overly prejudiced and right at the same time. Historians don't understand that either.
Now don't get me started on MacArthur in Korea. That war should have been over in October 1950, and every life lost after that date MacArthur should burn in hell for.
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Post by herosrest on Mar 29, 2023 15:21:47 GMT
I entirely agree. How truly odd..............
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Post by herosrest on Mar 29, 2023 15:22:23 GMT
On the lighter side of the news High Bear,a Northern Cheyenne captured/took a first sergeants roster book and filled it with drawings of the battle. It still exists. Regards, Tom link
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Post by quincannon on Mar 29, 2023 16:08:24 GMT
Why should it be odd HR. I find myself agreeing with you (God help me) on a number of occasions and an equal number of diverse subjects.
The only thing you need to do to understand the grand strategy described above with regard to the Pacific is have the ability to read a map and draw a straight line.
The only thing you need to understand my remarks on Korea, is to know that when the Chinese speak, and they did on this occasion, listen to them, they mean business. The mission was to reestablish status quo anti bellum, not reunite the two Koreas. Rhee wanted reunification, but Rhee was a pimple on a boar's ass. MacArthur had no charter from the United Nations to go north of the 38th Parallel, nor did he have the combat power. To reunify successfully he would have probably required two to three field armies, nine corps headquarters, twenty US divisions. plus whatever the UN could scrape together from allied nations, not to mention every swinging richard that the South Koreans could provide. Did not have anything near that much. Those are not my figures. That's what the Army War College said at the time.
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Post by herosrest on Mar 29, 2023 16:23:07 GMT
SWP was politics with Australia in deep, deep shock. Supporting them brought about the military directives. I studied that stuff of late 1941 into Guadalcanal. The policy didn't shift with the reality of events. Guadalcanal changed everything even hanging by the knife-edge of the IJN's incredible naval warfighting. They were already dead. That's my quick and dirty on it. By, late '42 M cA was redundant and who knows.... sack him, for the Philipines shambles. Follow on.... your remit with the divided Korea. There are many lessons from then which should still be front of mind. Anysways, sine the west no longer needs Russian gas, the Russians don't need it either. ttfn.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 29, 2023 23:18:53 GMT
You know how much this WWII ear interests me HR. We already have a Normandy to Berlin. Maybe we need a Pearl Harbor to Tokyo Bay. I'll strat one and see if it sparks interest.
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