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Post by deadwoodgultch on Mar 21, 2023 11:50:11 GMT
On the lighter side of the news High Bear,a Northern Cheyenne captured/took a first sergeants roster book and filled it with drawings of the battle. It still exists.
Regards, Tom
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Post by quincannon on Mar 21, 2023 16:42:23 GMT
What gets me Tom, is why a person with such a document, even stipulating that it is personal rather than government property would not fly on the Wings of Mercury to West Point. There the notebook could be tested, at considerable expense I'd wager against the Benteen note. That would have to be the easiest authentication ever done. If both things match the person in possession would have an artifact of incalculable value, worth a million times what was spent on authentication. The Army would cooperate in such and endeavor, in fact fall all over themselves to do so.
Can you blame me for being skeptical. If you were sitting on a gold mine, would you not grab a shovel and dig, rather than spread rumors of its existence in a bar in Hardin, Montana of all places. The only place lower on the totem pole for bar rumors would be Chugwater, Wyoming.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Mar 21, 2023 20:30:15 GMT
Don't knock Chug Water had lunch there once and one seriously cold beer.
Regards, Tom
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Post by quincannon on Mar 21, 2023 23:50:36 GMT
I had lunch there once too, and I told them not to hold their breath until I return. Chugwater though had one hell of a good Bluegrass Band that I have heard play a couple of times. They used to do Frontier Days in Cheyenne.
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Post by herosrest on Mar 28, 2023 1:03:48 GMT
On the lighter side of the news High Bear,a Northern Cheyenne captured/took a first sergeants roster book and filled it with drawings of the battle. It still exists. Regards, Tom The notebook exists, or existed and I did something rare for, for me. A long time ago though in what seems a different world. A guy called Vestal, aka Walter S. Campbell, interviewed one of the Cheyenne participants of 25 June 1876, who turned out to have played a minor role in the Custer fight. Campbell's stuff is in collection at OU and a good bit is online. The interview notes were not indexed which is a banishment and very few people have ever discovered them. I did by simply flipping through a poorly organised folder of content page by page and thinking what in God's eye is this....... I very nearly flicked on by... But had learnt to stop and figure stuff out there and then. It was a surprising find and.... Blah, blah, blah, you probably already know. I copied as not for profit and worked the pages up into pdf and with one of the images, from the Sgt's note book as the cover but cleaned up by removing his text, which was some kind of accounting. Few cents for this. Few cents for that. This was way back when I held the view that those posting this battle had vast knowledge. Of course the amount of knowledge is too vast in reality. I'll hunt the thing up and drop it in. The interview was with Yellow Nose. Believe me?
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Post by herosrest on Mar 28, 2023 1:16:31 GMT
I knew that I put it somewhere useful - link The source for the inteview notes. Enjoy I'm going to have to hunt the Cheyenne image book up, when I remember the relevant names............ damn.......... \Moody.... Mooney. That might be it. I remain rather chuffed with the image. Yellow Nose, who the hell was he. hmmm..... i've attached it WSC YN.pdf (1004.6 KB)
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Post by quincannon on Mar 28, 2023 2:45:03 GMT
While you are busy with this I will hunt up the original "Sex Notes With Santa Anna" a little known notebook kept by the Yellow Rose of Texas, and discovered in the bar room of the Emily Morgan Hotel, by one of Roosevelt's Rough Riders that was staggering by and stopped in to have a snort, having slept off his drunk half the night Across The Alley From The Alamo (All rights reserved by the Mills Brothers) on his way back to camp down river.
No matter who is in Austin, Bob Wills is still the King. Take it away Tommy. Take it away
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Post by herosrest on Mar 28, 2023 3:08:35 GMT
It was truly fortunate the Germans never realised that pink undercoat on Panzer V's was a fatal flaw.
How are things?
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Post by quincannon on Mar 28, 2023 4:42:49 GMT
Things are fine and getting better HR. Thanks for asking. The celebration of life is scheduled for 15 April. We do, but do not like to do burial services during Lent in the Episcopal Church, so in consultation with my East Coast and West Coast family we decided that Lent and possible problematic airline travel in the winter months were the deciding factor for a Springtime service.
Right now, everything is set, and all that is necessary is the implementation. Only hang up remaining, and it is just a nice to have, is determining if the bugler assigned to her military honors knows "The Last Post". We just normally do Taps, but Miss J saw the Last Post done at Prince Phillip's funeral and remarked that she liked that. It is a call associated with Britain and the Commonwealth, so I do not know if it is doable, but the 4th Division people are checking on it for me.
Pink primer on a Panzer V and Emily Morgan's naughty notebook. My how this board has grown and matured over the years.
By the way I assume you have never been to San Antonio. There is an Emily Morgan (The Yellow Rose of Texas) Hotel on Houston Street directly across from the Alamo. The Rough Riders were recruited in part in the bar at another hotel the Menger, Teddy's favorite stopover in Texas. They advertise that hotel as being across the alley from the Alamo, which it is. No Navajo washing their frijoles in Duz and Lux though. Ain't that a shame but Bob Wills is still the King
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Post by herosrest on Mar 28, 2023 10:43:26 GMT
You know what they say about pride, don't you. Over here, it's a very fine pint of Beer. A pint of Pride, please.
I thought they just rounded up every ruffian for 20 miles and taught them to love horses down there on the old border.
I'm watching shameen Shaw do her stuff at the moment - Oh wow! Shaw or Root.... I can't figure it out unless they belong in a bush.
I put pipers up a while back. London & Scottish - Black Bear. It's unequalled. That'me though - Mum from Cork (Catholic). Wife from Loch Lomond (Church of Scotland). Talk about house on fire.
Good luck!
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Post by quincannon on Mar 28, 2023 14:37:52 GMT
Ruffians on horses: Well not exactly. Teddy Roosevelt was a man known throughout the country, he had been many things in his life, among them state legislator, Police Commissioner of New York, and God knows what else. When the Span Am War came along he was Assistant Secretary of the Navy. When his first wife passed away Teddy went west and started into cattle ranching. I seem to remember he became sheriff for some time out west too. He was well respected in many parts of the country.
Captain Leonard Wood (Medical Doctor, Cavalry Captain, and holder of the Medal of Honor) was the first Colonel of the Rough Riders, whose official name was the 1st United States Volunteer Cavalry. Teddy became the LTC. When people from all parts found out Teddy was part of that organization, every Wall Street polo playing banker's son, and any other wealthy offspring from New York joined up, along with many of Teddy's western friends, cowboys, wranglers, and some of the West's first families as well. The Rough Riders came together very quickly with such great leadership provided by the likes of Bucky O'Neill and some of those very sons of privilege. A National Guard unit from New Mexico, although not called up by the government, volunteered in mass to form one of the regiments squadron. That unit still exists as the 200th Air Defense Artillery. The regiment was put together very rapidly and formed at San Antonio. Their camp was across the road from Mission San Jose (still an active Roman Catholic parish), and that site is now a very large city park.
The Rough Riders were among the first deployed to Cuba, and fought first at Las Guasimas. Leonard Wood was bumped up to brigade command. Teddy took over the Rough Riders, then it was on to San Juan Heights, where they made an everlasting mark on the Army, and American History in the space of three hours.
When I was a kid my dad attended the church that Roosevelt attended when he was President. They had a lot of Roosevelt memorabilia on display and I became enraptured with Roosevelt. Soldier, scholar, author, cowboy, sheriff, policeman, cabinet secretary, explorer, and President. But he is most remembered as a Rough Rider.
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Post by herosrest on Mar 28, 2023 16:36:23 GMT
He lost a son, in France I think. Air Force?
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Post by miker on Mar 28, 2023 18:49:13 GMT
Assistant Division Commander of the 4th Infantry Division. Died of a heart attack as I recall.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 28, 2023 19:30:55 GMT
Both are correct,
Quent1n Roosevelt was killed in action flying with the 95th Aero Squadron in 1918
Teddy Roosevelt Jr. died of a heart attack while he was ADC of the 4th "Ivy" Infantry Division in the summer of 1944, shortly after D Day
Teddy and Teddy Jr both hold the Medal of Honor
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Post by herosrest on Mar 28, 2023 20:27:03 GMT
I'd guess that that is unusual, possibly unique?
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