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Post by quincannon on Jul 8, 2017 16:54:46 GMT
Christ the man knows what an envelopment is. There is a God in Heaven, and all is right with the world.
I'll bet my next retirement check he knows what a breakout from encirclement, a flank attack (one into a flank) and a fix is too Steve, Good thing we got him away from the Queen's Cavalier. Two more days over there and his mind would be mush.
When you get back from the LE Academy Captain, PM me to inform you of the Queen's Cavalier's dinner with a cavalry colonel where he learned all about tactics over rubber chicken and ice cream.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Jul 8, 2017 16:58:30 GMT
Looking at the map Steve posted and Willys bend, you could be forgiven for thinking that Custer had eyes on the horse herd or even the non-coms or both! as that route looks like a sweep to get not only to the back of the village but to get right around it. Ian, I know that we have discussed this before, there was only way for this battle come out smelling better. That was for GAC to act as a follow on to Reno, in the valley, with an attack on the horse heard or better yet as my two betters have stated go directly for that CoG. First calling back Benteen and notifying the packs to hunker down.
Regards, Tom
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Jul 8, 2017 16:59:51 GMT
Chuck, play nice.
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Post by quincannon on Jul 8, 2017 17:01:30 GMT
Go catch some fish. Better yet go crabbing. The Madam forked over 100 bucks for a dozen jumbo's last week in Annapolis.
Betters my ass.
I am always nice. Nice is relative.
Captain Tyree will come to appreciate being pulled from the literary jaws of death, more sooner than later.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Jul 8, 2017 17:13:12 GMT
Yes sir, O-5, sir, may I get your newspaper sir as it is the only thing to eat those crabs on, sir. I am at the other plantation and have 6 acres to cut before Monday and nobody here calls me massa, so I do the cutting.
Regards, Tom
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Jul 8, 2017 17:15:27 GMT
Where is Royal Welsh when we need him. Probably got an early call back to spend time with the Kurds,
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Post by quincannon on Jul 8, 2017 17:23:15 GMT
The Sunday edition of the New York Times if you please.
I want you to cut the grass at the plantation with sewing scissors. Make sure the grass is no higher than two inches. I will bring my ruler to check, and when you paint all those rocks, make sure you paint both sides. I will check that as well. I assume your supply of Old Bay is adequate. Corn on the cob, and beefsteak tomatoes with a slice of any good Italian soft cheese with Pear Gorgonzola dressing would be nice as well. Don't go to any real trouble for me, but I just could not bear the thought of Gerber's New Yorker when I visit your grand metropolis.
The exercise you get from cutting is good for an old fart like you, it builds character.
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Post by quincannon on Jul 8, 2017 17:26:03 GMT
Justin is spreading the Gospel of Browning among the heathen hordes.
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Post by sgttyree on Jul 8, 2017 17:58:29 GMT
Well as long as we are using modern military terms, someone who has been to the company commander's course correct me if I am wrong, but I believe a modern Armor Branch officer would call that a penetration attack? Or something similar to one.
But that ain't in my department.
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Post by yanmacca on Jul 8, 2017 18:16:24 GMT
Where is Royal Welsh when we need him. I can just see him now, with his face all blackened, creeping up on an IS combatant and saying "Noswaith da"
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Post by quincannon on Jul 8, 2017 18:18:52 GMT
George Patton III when he had the Blackhorse would call it a "Pile On"
Basil Liddell-Hart would call it an expanding torrent.
If you determined that your best course of action was to drive a wedge between horses and village with your whole force, it would not be a classic penetration, but close enough, because you have cut off the CoG from those in need of what the CoG provides.
Repeated many time here, numbers only count at the point of contact. If you keep your force close up, during this battle you, not the Indians always have the numbers advantage at the point of contact. Your shock action, then becomes shock effect, and shock effect, unless checked somewhere along the line always leads to local disaster. You cutting them from the majority of their mounts mean that you have eliminated most of their mobility, and without that mobility they cannot easily recover from the effect of shock.
If you recall the force expansion aspects of an infiltration attack from the old Light Infantry field manuals the concept is very similar, but at a much faster pace with a mounted force.
Light Infantry and Armor go about their business in a similar manner. Remember if you read Rommel's book "Infantry Attacks" you know where he learned to fight with tanks.
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Post by yanmacca on Jul 8, 2017 18:31:20 GMT
Would Custer actually know were he was in relation to the village and Reno's advanced position in the valley? Would it be better for him to keep on going, right around the village, then make that trek back over them there bad lands? I would expect that around this time, that Custer would realize that the whole village was buzzing and could scatter to the four winds. I guess that finding around 500+ Cheyenne fighting men in the vicinity would caused him to turn back pretty quick.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Jul 8, 2017 18:45:46 GMT
Ian, I first must apologies to Beth for this religious comment as I had to come in for a beer. I am not sure God created beer for cutting grass or grass so I can drink beer. Meanwhile back to the topic, his scouts knew and told him the herd was on the benches beyond the circles, The smoke in and of itself would have indicated the same. George did not listen and he did not share. Chuck, to all of your above I live to serve and serve to live!
Regards, Tom
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Post by yanmacca on Jul 8, 2017 18:53:21 GMT
Tom is it hot over there where you live?, it surly is in England. My better half has to work this weekend and you know what that means for me "CHORES" I have been painting this afternoon, glossing paint work, bloody awful work when it is hot. I am ready to enjoy a drink tonight so enjoy your beer and don't worry jack sh*t about anything.
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Post by quincannon on Jul 8, 2017 18:53:49 GMT
You may wash my feet when I next chance to be in the cultural center of the Old Dominion Tom. Provide a good towel though, not one of those crummy K Mart pieces of tissue paper, something nice and soft for my tootsies.
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