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Post by dave on Jun 10, 2017 21:13:22 GMT
Beth I suspicion that back in the latter part of the 19th century with all records being written by hand there were many errors were made. For example,my GG Grandfather, George Washington Litton, was a member of the 29th Virginia Infantry who was captured after the Battle of Dinwiddie Court House on April 1, 1865. He died in the POW camp on Hart Island in New York City and buried in Cypress Hills National Military Cemetery under the name of Litten. Plus there are countless stories of people coming to Ellis Island and being registered under various different spellings of their last names as many of the clerks either could not understand the name or just spelled the way it sounded. Regards Dave
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Post by Beth on Jun 11, 2017 0:20:47 GMT
Dave you would not believe how many spellings you see of my family name as well as my Mom's. Those mistakes make looking up members of the 7th interesting. There are so many variations of Jonson/Jonsen/Jansen/Johnson.
It is interesting seeing the actual name recorded in the enlistment, then finding how it can change with time. I don't know who suggested giving soldiers ID numbers but he should have been giving a medal.
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Post by dave on Jun 11, 2017 2:58:05 GMT
Beth Would you believe that some of the Elmores that came here from the Gloucestershire have spelled their names as Ailmer, Aylmer, Ellmore and my favorite L. Moore. Literacy was not as common back in the 16th & 17th centuries. Regards Dave
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Post by yanmacca on Jun 11, 2017 11:18:02 GMT
Dave, that's as bad as Mr Joe King [joking]
I recall saying that to a client for a painting job years ago, he quoted me a price for the job and it was about a ton [£100] less then what I wanted, so I said to him, you must be Joe King, we laugh and came to a better agreement, well £100 better.
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Post by azranger on Jun 11, 2017 12:10:29 GMT
In the motel in OKC. I think there is times where a slow down is necessary. In firearms we (instructors) see officers that miss speed up and then have more misses. I think it is like tunnel vision where you don't see anything else around you. To counter it you slow down. In shooting you focus on the front sight. In other situations you scan and assess.
So if slowing down an assessing what needs to be done is dawdling then it is a good thing. The alternate is charge forward and end up in bad situation.
Regards
Steve
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Post by Beth on Jun 11, 2017 18:47:50 GMT
Beth Would you believe that some of the Elmores that came here from the Gloucestershire have spelled their names as Ailmer, Aylmer, Ellmore and my favorite L. Moore. Literacy was not as common back in the 16th & 17th centuries. Regards Dave Hubby's family has a Rocks Ann in it. Actually I can see the progression of like Ailmer to Aylmer and Elmore and suspect that the difference isn't so much spelling but as the name's pronunciation changed with time. Also regional accents would change how a name is pronounced or heard. Hubby teases me about some words that I say different-like I say pin and pen the same-it's actually called merged vowels that particular happen paired with m and n so Swansen and Swanson can become pronounced nearly identical locally-but someone recording the name wouldn't know that the actual sir name was spelled wouldn't be able to tell if the name ends in en or on. If the person enlisting is illiterate, semi-literate or perhaps not proficient in English they wouldn't catch the mistake.
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Post by Beth on Jun 11, 2017 18:54:26 GMT
In the motel in OKC. I think there is times where a slow down is necessary. In firearms we (instructors) see officers that miss speed up and then have more misses. I think it is like tunnel vision where you don't see anything else around you. To counter it you slow down. In shooting you focus on the front sight. In other situations you scan and assess. So if slowing down an assessing what needs to be done is dawdling then it is a good thing. The alternate is charge forward and end up in bad situation. Regards Steve Excellent points.
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Post by carl on Jun 11, 2017 20:51:35 GMT
If you want to find examples of surname changes one has to look at the Norwegian immigrants.
Until well into the 19th century, males had a given first name followed by the forename of their father -sson. They were identified in census and other records as that, followed by their resident farm.
For example, my great grandfather was Ole Tomasson Gudmansodden, where Gudmansodden was the farm name. His father was Tomas Knutsson, born in Askluksud.
When he immigrated to US, he used the name Ole Odden. In the family bible, his first 2 children were identified with the surname Odden.
He then adopted the surname Thompson and that is how his descendants thru the male line are known as to this very day.
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Post by quincannon on Jun 11, 2017 21:10:22 GMT
Hell Carl I always thought your last name was Constabularyson. You had to go and spoil it all with facts.
The Russians do something similar Ivan Ivanovich. Ivan son of Ivan
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Post by dave on Jun 12, 2017 16:47:27 GMT
AZ Have you and Deadwood any plans to ride around the battlefield this year? If so what route are y'all looking at? Be sure and drag Deadwood all around on horse back so he can really enjoy driving back cross country with a sore gluteus maximus boohiny! He He Regards Dave
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on Jun 12, 2017 19:14:18 GMT
AZ Have you and Deadwood any plans to ride around the battlefield this year? If so what route are y'all looking at? Be sure and drag Deadwood all around on horse back so he can really enjoy driving back cross country with a sore gluteus maximus boohiny! He He Regards Dave Why Dave; I must commend your humaneness. I had you pegged as a "draw and quarter" him kind of guy.
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Post by dave on Jun 12, 2017 20:16:30 GMT
Brother David Tom is one my favorites. He is driving west tonight and he will pass through Memphis tonight but I am in Jackson,MS today and can't meet up with him.
How are you and the treatments doing? Sure hope it is all well and treating your tumor. Look forward to seeing you next year! Regards Dave
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on Jun 13, 2017 0:17:22 GMT
Brother David Tom is one my favorites. He is driving west tonight and he will pass through Memphis tonight but I am in Jackson,MS today and can't meet up with him. How are you and the treatments doing? Sure hope it is all well and treating your tumor. Look forward to seeing you next year! Regards Dave Keepin on keepin on and I will know early next week if tumor is continuing to shrink.
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Post by dave on Jun 13, 2017 2:58:17 GMT
Great news Brother. I will raise you up Sunday and keep you in my prayers. Regards Dave
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Post by rebcav on Jun 18, 2017 16:21:16 GMT
Beth I suspicion that back in the latter part of the 19th century with all records being written by hand there were many errors were made. For example,my GG Grandfather, George Washington Litton, was a member of the 29th Virginia Infantry who was captured after the Battle of Dinwiddie Court House on April 1, 1865. He died in the POW camp on Hart Island in New York City and buried in Cypress Hills National Military Cemetery under the name of Litten. Plus there are countless stories of people coming to Ellis Island and being registered under various different spellings of their last names as many of the clerks either could not understand the name or just spelled the way it sounded. Regards Dave That's a FACT. My great grandfather (on my mother's side) came to Ellis Island from Sicily in 1903. We still have the paperwork. His last name in Sicily was Bellitti, but upon arrival @ Ellis Island it was changed to Belles. No reason was ever given. Have a GREAT Day everyone, Duane
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