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Post by BrevetorCoffin on Apr 21, 2016 12:22:00 GMT
What legend in his own mind made this statement?
Assuming Reno's troopers had a 6 cartridges a piece at the start of their retreat -- and assuming an inability to reload -- there would be a potential of roughly 850+ cases laying along their retreat route.
AZ Ranger
3 guesses, first 2 don't count? The Hairbrush Hussar, Major von Munchausen, Captain Pretend.
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Post by azranger on Apr 21, 2016 12:22:48 GMT
Matt
Benteen may have seen the tail end of the skirmish line as they moved to the horses. He testified to seeing 13 troopers with Indians charging them.
Most importantly he testified he would not cross the river without the pack train closed up.
Finally he testified if he had to do it again he would do it the same way.
Regards
AZ Ranger
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on Apr 21, 2016 12:44:31 GMT
AZ-I have to admit I was shocked when he retracted his statement once informed that revolvers don't eject spent cases.
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Post by quincannon on Apr 21, 2016 14:55:50 GMT
They don't? The burning question remains though. Were the left handed shooters on the left side of the breakout column, and the right handed shooters on the right.
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Post by yanmacca on Apr 21, 2016 15:38:10 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if many were dropped in the charge/break-out as riding a horse a full speed with hundreds of Indians trying to kill you would cause you to shake some what, and some of these were probably still fully or partly loaded.
Yan.
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Post by quincannon on Apr 21, 2016 17:07:40 GMT
You have to read the whole statement by Captain Pretend, including his backtrack Ian, to fully appreciate the nauseating, I know more than you battle student, aspects of it.
He is precise as to the number of spent cartridges that may be found along the retreat route, which according to him were expended by soldiers during the breakout.
He was then informed that revolvers do not eject spent rounds. Automatic pistols do, so unless Reno's people were equipped with a .45 ACP, those cartridges that might be there, did not come from Reno.
So called, he says "good catch", instead of what normal folk would say - What a bone headed statement on my part, what was I thinking - another way of trying to avoid responsibility for his own moronic output. It is human to make a mistake. It is cowardly not to own up to it.
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Post by yanmacca on Apr 21, 2016 18:11:25 GMT
He is a "Silly Billy" Chuck, even I know that revolvers have no ejector system for spent cartridges, that particular model was pain in the arse to load too, unless he thinks that they used the fantasy models which were also used in western movies, you know the ones that can fire all day without the need for reloading.
Yan.
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Post by quincannon on Apr 21, 2016 18:18:56 GMT
It's just another of the unending examples of Captain Doofuss Dragoon wading in water that is far to deep for his limited to nonexistent ability to swim Ian. Good for a few laughs, but nothing more.
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Post by dave on Apr 21, 2016 18:52:59 GMT
Sadly the ignorance and stupidity shown by the moderator reflects poorly on that board. The inability to admit a mistake reflects a person with a fragile sense of worth. His mantra of a deceased military officer has gone from reenacting to assimilation as his own character in life and apologies would threaten this character he has become.
It has to be difficult being a senior citizen attempting to portray a 36 year officer 140 years after his death. One can not parade around the neighborhood wearing your caped outfit without creating a stir but doesn't NYC have a place where costumed characters can strut around in receive tips and applause? Regards Dave
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Post by yanmacca on Apr 21, 2016 18:53:39 GMT
To be honest Chuck, I don't think that there was much firing in that move to reach the river and bluffs, if it is true that some of these men were badly trained then all their attention would be focused on riding at that speed and being scared to death. The Indians too would be using there hand held weapons to knock the soldiers off their horses, rather than trying to shoot them off.
850 rounds fired by the mounted Indian warriors in that ride from the timber to the bluffs, you are right my friend someone is having a laugh.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Apr 21, 2016 19:16:14 GMT
A quote by W.O. Taylor, " Each man ahead of me had his right arm extended firing his revolver at a parallel line of yelling Indians and I at once followed suit. Talk about the "Thin Red Line" of the English. Here was a thick Red line of Sioux and growing thicker every moment. Out of the clouds of dust, anxious to be in at the death, came hundreds of others, shouting and racing toward the soldiers, most of whom were seeing their first battle, and many, of whom I was one, had never fired a shot from a horse's back.
As before stated, my right stirrup was useless and in consequence my seat was not very secure, nor my aim as accurate as it might have been, so I can not say that I did much execution, but I tried to, firing at an Indian directly opposite who I thought was paying special attention to myself. At such a time many thoughts will pass through one's mind with great rapidity. The chances of being wounded or captured were many. One's fate in such a case was easy to imagine, so I reserved one of the six bullets that my revolver contained for the "last resort," myself, but I was not destined to use it in that manner.
A great part of our way lay through a prairie-dog village and the numerous holes and mounds made it very unpleasant riding at our rapid gait, for you could not tell what moment your horse might put his foot in a hole and throw you to the ground. A few moments of such riding brought me to what had been, ages ago, the bed of the river. It was some three or four feet lower with a rather abrupt bank down which with a little urging my horse jumped. And as he did so, to steady myself, I reached for the pommel of my saddle with my right hand which still held my revolver. As I did this my revolver fell to the ground"
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Post by benteen on Apr 21, 2016 21:37:43 GMT
Dave, Anyone who lives in new Jersey needs all the help they can get Be Well Dan Past tense. 1979-2012! David, Unfortunatly present tense for me. Be Well Dan
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Apr 21, 2016 23:00:47 GMT
Matt, They had sent someone for the packs, maybe you remember his name, I draw blanks from time to time. The ammunition had already arrived, I think, when the entire group left for Weir, they had not arrived when that insubordinate officer left. You know what's his name, but I am cloudy on all of that as well. Benteene, I thinke that is who you are refering to, did not have to grandstand, peacock, or cover his ass as others did that for him. Damn, what day is this, somebody help me. I hate being old and infirm, not to mention, forgetting the time the first packs arrived.
Regards, Tom
PS Just kidding, I am sure you are right. Your narrative might darn well be correct.
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on Apr 22, 2016 0:08:59 GMT
David, Unfortunatly present tense for me. Be Well Dan Whereabouts?
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on Apr 22, 2016 0:35:38 GMT
Matt, They had sent someone for the packs, maybe you remember his name, I draw blanks from time to time. The ammunition had already arrived, I think, when the entire group left for Weir, they had not arrived when that insubordinate officer left. You know what's his name, but I am cloudy on all of that as well. Benteene, I thinke that is who you are refering to, did not have to grandstand, peacock, or cover his ass as others did that for him. Damn, what day is this, somebody help me. I hate being old and infirm, not to mention, forgetting the time the first packs arrived. Regards, Tom PS Just kidding, I am sure you are right. Your narrative might darn well be correct. LOL. Per "Strategy" I believe the first packs arrived at 3:48, about 43 minutes after the last of Benteen's battalion arrived in Reno Hill. Weir was already well on his way to Weir Point by then. The last (perhaps these are the "pacs") arrived around 4:17 per Fred's analysis. Custer was likely dead by 4:40. Fred's analysis is highly worthy of consideration and perhaps Matt is correct. We will never know for sure. Best, David
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