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Post by dave on Sept 15, 2015 23:43:27 GMT
Sergeant York was a classic representation of American life in the rural mountain area of Tennessee. I have always enjoyed watching Walter Brennan steal the attention. He was so good you did not realize he was the star till after the movie.
QC I would like to add a movie to your list. "A Yank in the RAF" was another Hollywood patriotic feature with Tyrone Power. A little known fact is that Power was a Marine pilot during WW II. Regards Dave
A Yank in the R.A.F.
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Post by quincannon on Sept 16, 2015 2:37:52 GMT
A couple of more that come to mind Dave are Dive Bomber, another Flynn epic and Flight Command with Robert Taylor.
Even Gene Autry got in the act in "South of the Border" more notable for the song than the movie. Gene was down Mexico way to put paid to Mexican outlaws (Duncan Renaldo - The Cisco Kid) who were in league with an unnamed foreign power to establish a sub base near Vera Cruz as I recall.
Another Flynn opus that did not even disguise the intent to prepare for war was the very forgettable Santa Fe Trail with Flynn as JEB Stuart and some guy who became president as George Custer. Again one more noted for the sound track music than the story, although Raymond Massey was quite good as John Brown.
It makes you wonder though , getting back to the theme of this thread, how much propaganda and fiddling with the facts was around during the Centennial Campaign, getting the country into gear for further westward expansion. All media is very powerful, and they slip messages between the lines, that we don't even realize are there.
Package should be to you any day now.
For those of you who are wondering my boomerang lesson did not go as well as I had hoped. To me it was more like a Frisby with no one out there to catch it. Could not make that thing come back to me for love nor money.
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Post by mac on Sept 16, 2015 3:12:37 GMT
You're welcome!
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Post by mac on Sept 16, 2015 3:54:26 GMT
Thanks Chuck; The Indians who initially went against Custer’s battalion would probably be in the low hundreds and gradually increased as time went on, but I don’t think that they all hit him together, the problem Custer faced was many large bands probably a couple of hundred each, that crossed the LBH river at various points and arrived to attack from different locations, and these locations would enable them to attack from a different direction. Example: if Calhoun was holding off a band that came via ford B and moved up deep coulee then this band would probably be a 100 or so, but that is enough to keep him occupied, now that band alone would probably not be strong enough to push him off that hill, but add it to another band of around a 100 or so that came via Calhoun coulee and then the situation changes, plus we could reckon that another band could have infiltrated right up deep coulee and struck from Calhoun’s left flank. So in all each band would not venture into full view and into carbine effective range, but rely on long range sniping, but if the attack collectively then this was another ball game. So this would have repeated itself in every sector of the battle field, and going on events as we perceive them, then a group of 600-800 to could have walloped Keogh’s battalion and progressed towards Custer once the job was done, Custer in the meantime would be struggling against a force that could be a low as 200-400, but when these two forces meet and hit from different directions, then Custer’s meagre force of 80-90 had no chance. So if anyone are asking me if Custer could be defeated by a force of around a 1000, then I would say yes it was possible. Chuck, give my regards to Mac and his daughter this evening and I hope you have a wonderful time. Yan. Very perceptive and interesting post Ian and as you might expect I agree. I recently had a discussion with a Cherokee about this and they fully endorse what you are saying as being their way/culture. It is the same everywhere isn't it? You go with your mates and support them. Some may call it esprit de corps. They were never a swarm!! Cheers
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Post by yanmacca on Sept 16, 2015 12:38:11 GMT
Mac I hope you are enjoying yourself stateside, I am green with envy my friend.
Now there are some people on the other boards (maybe this one too) that think that Custer was forced away from ford B and various companies fought desperate rear guard actions to stem the flow, but I disagree with this premise, and favour the idea that he moved onto battle ridge in good order, here are a three reasons why;
1/ bodies, there is a lack of markers around the area nearest the river, which would suggest that if they did take casualties then they could stop and pick them up, a luxury that was denied to Reno during his breakout, so I wonder why it was allowed in Custer's case, if they are being chased.
2/ Imagine if Custer’s five companies got chased up hill to battle ridge, and he orders one or two companies to dismount, take their horses to the rear and hold their ground, what would be the chances of these men, with many of them raw and untrained, standing firm against the enemy moving around their flanks, just imagine their horror when the column rides out of view over the ridge line, not surprizing if this did happen that many would have ran or even never dismounted in the first place.
3/ Now what if Custer decided to re-group and form a proper defence of this high ground with the idea that Benteen would soon be along, this is what the scout Curly eluded to, but to be honest I don’t think he was hanging around to watch the battle, he even claimed he saw that the battle through field glasses, now what would an young Indian scout be doing with a pair of binoculars?
Well that’s what I think, and that Custer did manage to re-group all five companies on either battle ridge or Calhoun hill and after a short conflab they divided, which they wouldn’t do if under pressure, and this separation is mentioned I am sure, in Indian testimonies.
Yan.
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Post by dave on Sept 16, 2015 19:11:03 GMT
QC No rush on the package. I am pleased that it was of some assistance. Did the boomerang hit anyone or anything before falling to the ground? Regards Dave
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Post by Beth on Sept 16, 2015 20:32:13 GMT
I need to get a boomerang to play fetch with the dog--considering his idea of fetch is to run after the item and then just stare at it once it lands. '
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Post by dave on Sept 17, 2015 2:44:25 GMT
QC I received the package this afternoon. I hope you had as much enjoyment with it that I had in sharing. Regards Dave
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Post by quincannon on Sept 17, 2015 3:13:48 GMT
Indeed I did. Now all I have to do is translate the knowledge gained into model making talent. It was a great help. Thank you so much.
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