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Post by herosrest on Feb 13, 2024 18:32:33 GMT
Music won WW II and is changing the World again.
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Post by yanmacca on Feb 13, 2024 19:51:16 GMT
Imagine, its 1942 and Hitler actually gives permission to build 30 of these heavy Panzer Is, what a waste of resourses when the German Army was fighting a war on two fronts. It couldnt harm any AFVs with its two MGs, what was the point.
Panzer I Ausf F
Ian
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Post by yanmacca on Feb 13, 2024 22:49:25 GMT
Shrove Tuesday today HR, hope you have had your pancake today
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Post by Elwood on Feb 13, 2024 23:33:37 GMT
A few minors. If I recall correctly, the Firefly issue with longer barrels worked both ways with short 75mm tankers placing long shrouds 'over the weapon to 'scare batshit' out of Panthers. I recall Oddball mentioning something like that in KHs.
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Post by quincannon on Feb 14, 2024 7:53:46 GMT
The tank in Kelly's Heroes was an early model split hatch M4A3/76 wet. It had a longer gun than the 75 but I don't think anywhere near the 17 pounder on the Firefly. The Firefly was one mean mother. Evidently the Brits had a limited supply of 17 pounders, because they only put one or two in each tank troop, the remainder being 75mm's. Too bad that the movie producers could not get the loan of that Tiger from Bovington. You would think that they could at least paint that horrible mock up Tiger in the correct colors, but they did not do that either. After about April 43 all German tanks were painted in a base color of Dark Yellow, until about December 44 when the base color changed to something similar to the present NATO Green
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Post by yanmacca on Feb 14, 2024 20:51:29 GMT
Yes QC, four Fireflys per squadron.
The basic Squadron set up in 1944 was this;
SHQ - 2 x Shermans Gun Troop - 4 x Fireflys 4 x troops of Sherman (3 Shermans in total) 18 x tanks in all.
In the field the Squadron Commander usually added one Firefly to each Sherman Troop as below;
SHQ - 2 x Shermans 4 x Troops - Three Shermans + 1 x Firefly
Ian
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Post by miker on Feb 14, 2024 21:33:24 GMT
I always think of German tanks as gray in Europe except for an occasional Panther. Sand/yellow in the desert. It may be my color blindness. On the other hand, except occasional modern German armor, I haven't built any German tanks since high school and no Russian tanks (which I also think of as gray) since I was in the 11th ACR. Nothing non-American in my current collection.
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Post by quincannon on Feb 14, 2024 22:09:15 GMT
You're not alone. I commented to Ian it was I think after watching the episode of Band of Brothers dealing with Holland, that I had always thought of the dark yellow color as being quite an awful choice for armored vehicles fighting in Western Europe. That was until I watched what I remember it as a Jagdpanther hiding in a haystack. Most of them of course were painted in the three color camouflage with the dark yellow base with green and redbrown patterns applied. This one was pure dark yellow and the camouflage was very effective.
Should you delve into Russians in the future Mike the best paint color I have found is AK Interactive Russian Green in a spray can. It's available in bottles as well. Did a 1/56 scale T34/85 with it recently, and I was very pleased. I like that particular color better than its Vallejo counterpart of the same name.
I have about given up on German stuff too. I think it is best, considering frustration levels, to build what we best know and are familiar with. My favorite trouble free builds are Shermans, with all versions of the T34 coming in a close second.
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Post by miker on Feb 14, 2024 23:08:45 GMT
My stuff, except for an M5, is modern US. My airplanes however go back to the P-38 and except for a nifty F-104G with a canard made from the horizontal tail section, also all American. ships? American. Space? all American except for an Apollo-Soyuz and a Saturn IB + a Soyuz booster representing the first or second father-son astronaut pair in history, also all American. Starships are a little more catholic, but not much, being mostly Federation.
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Post by quincannon on Feb 15, 2024 6:22:12 GMT
This evening I started on a new project, that when and if it is ever complete will have a representative vehicle from all of the armor and cavalry that participated in the Battle of the Bulge. Only American vehicles of course, but that is not because I have anything against modeling British and German vehicles. It is simply because I make a dogs breakfast out of painting British and German vehicles accurately. What is the line in the 3rd Division's "Dogface Soldier"? "I'd rather have my old OD's than all the Navy's dungarees" Well I would extend that to say, I's rather paint with old OD, than any other goddamned color out there. All will be 1/35 scale of course.
Being Ash Wednesday I had my supper on the way to get my forehead dirtied with Palm ashes derived from burnt palms from last Palm Sunday. Yes Ian, I ate my fill of pancakes last night too. Tonight's culinary tour de force was grilled salmon steak with a Cajun rub, served over a bed of white seasoned rice. Of all places I had my dinner at the Black Eyed Pea which is on the way to church. Now keep in mind I have eaten at the very best seafood emporiums from Kittery, Maine to San Juan, Puerto Rico, along with a couple in Canada and Mexico too. I have never had better grilled Salmon anywhere, and from a chain restaurant that itself does not specialize in seafood. Highly recommended.
I certainly am glad you used a small c in catholic Mike. We will make an Episcopalian out of you yet. And no, we do not play Bingo, although there is a once a month floating poker game, the next being tomorrow night. I expect I will be praying away more than a few naughty words this coming Sunday.
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Post by yanmacca on Feb 15, 2024 10:20:05 GMT
Yes Ian, I ate my fill of pancakes last night too. Tonight's culinary tour de force was grilled salmon steak with a Cajun rub, served over a bed of white seasoned rice. Of all places I had my dinner at the Black Eyed Pea which is on the way to church. Now keep in mind I have eaten at the very best seafood emporiums from Kittery, Maine to San Juan, Puerto Rico, along with a couple in Canada and Mexico too. I have never had better grilled Salmon anywhere, and from a chain restaurant that itself does not specialize in seafood. Highly recommended.
I didnt know you had pancakes on shrove Tuesday QC, we dont bother with the shrove part, we just call it it "pancake Tuesday". The only day we dont bother eating meat is Good Friday, we have fish, chips and mushy peas. With Valantines day falling on Ash Wednesday we had roasted lamb steaks with roast potaoes, carrots, green beans and gravy followed by chocolate éclairs. A few glasses of red wine too.
Ian
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Post by yanmacca on Feb 15, 2024 10:37:27 GMT
Going back to painting stuff, I recently got my hands on a job lot of Airfix 1/76 US Cavalry, well over a hundred of them. I got them for a snip at £14, which is very cheap when you consider that a box of these figures has 12 x fully mounted troopers/standard bearer/flag bearer and officer and retails at well over £10 on ebay. Now I have painted these figures before way back in the early 1970s, I used what paints I had and choose the nearest blue paints. This time I want to use vallejo piants. Checking on line you see that the jackets and hats are really dark navy blue, almost black and the pants are a lighter but not as light as sky blue. Got a few colours in mind, but still checking out all my options. I wont be tackling these figures just yet, they will be kept on hold until I retire, thats in July and it will be a nice project for the short days in autumn.
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Post by quincannon on Feb 15, 2024 18:27:11 GMT
The word Shrove is defined as a day of preparation for fasting. Typically, in the Christian Faith it meant getting straight with the Almighty by confessing your sins as a final preparation for Lent which starts the next day. Part of that preparation is the using up of all the things that make food worth eating, fats, sugar, etc. Pancakes are a handy way of doing that business. The word Shrove though has a deeply religious meaning and is in fact the name given to Shrove Chapel, just up the street from my church, the oldest building at Colorado College. Beautiful place. In the area influenced by French colonization in this country the day is referred to as Fat Tuesday, the last day of Mardi Gras. Regardless of the name though, the underlying tradition is strong in the Roman Catholic, Episcopal, and most of the higher Protestant Churches here in the US. In the - I am saved no matter what I do - religions, I'm not so sure what they do, or even if they do.
Privately though the idea of fasting and abstinence (from meat) is a pretty hard sell to people who don't get enough to eat anyway. It strikes me in those instances as attempting to make a virtue out of abject poverty.
Vallejo has some very good colors for painting US 19th Century figures. Somewhere in this place I humorously refer to as my office I have a Vallejo paint chart. When I run across it I will peruse and give you my opinion on the best (keep in mind they are small figures which brings up the matter of scale effect) colors to choose. Right off the top of my head though I would think that their sky blue might be a good trouser color, in that that was the uniform color for trousers specified by regulations then, and in the instance of today's Army Blues, still is. No yellow stripe down the trouser leg unless you are depicting an officer (We are so special don't you know) or an NCO. Privates had to earn those stripes by getting promoted. In fact that, not the chevron of rank, is where the expression earning your stripes comes from.
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Post by yanmacca on Feb 16, 2024 8:22:55 GMT
Didn't trumpeters have the stripes too? I checked vallejo out last week but it's hard to find a good jacket colour, as you said working with small figures calls for a different approach. When I checked last week I chose two colours, I was hoping to post them last weekend to see what your opinion was, the colours are; Dark Russian blue 899: jacket Sky blue: pants 961: pants
It would be grand to have the colours on stock on my paint rack, once sorted I will make a trip to Barry's. Thanks QC
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Post by quincannon on Feb 16, 2024 14:37:24 GMT
899 is Dark Prussian Blue and I think you have a winner there. I have a bottle and tried it out this morning. One proviso. Your figures are dark plastic. Make sure you prime them before your base coat, or the Prussian Blue will be too dark. I use Mr. Surfacer light grey. Love the stuff. Sky Blue from the chart looks good too.
PS: Can't find anything about trumpeters. Suggest you go to the library and get hold of Randy Stephans' several volumes on the U S Cavalry. Out of print for some long time, and when they were in print they were over a hundred bucks each, so they were out of my league to purchase and that was forty years ago. Your answer will be in there.
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