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Post by yanmacca on Sept 22, 2022 15:20:45 GMT
The Germans did capture masses of Soviet artillery during 1941, but by that time the Russian army was phasing out a lot of its old stock, what the Germans captured was soon replaced with better more modern pieces. Once the ammo started to get low on captured gear, the Germans moved a lot of weapons to the Atlantic wall, but kept a lot of the 76mm guns as they re-turned the barrels to take pak 40 rounds.
Many bunkers along the Normandy coast had Soviet 122mm howitzers, but like most German gun batteries that day, they soon ran out of ammo.
Ian
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Post by quincannon on Sept 22, 2022 15:49:31 GMT
Surprises me that the Germans did not open a minor production line for Russian ammo. They captured huge amounts of Russian stuff in 1941, but as you say, stuff runs out.
I would like to model a T34/76 in 1/100 as a captured Russian piece, but do not have the means to duplicate all the changes the Germans made to them after capture. It was more than a repaint job. They added a Rommel basket and some other minor modifications. I have a good drawing though, and as soon as I figure out how to do it I will.
I see you new friend on the black board, Sir Francis, is a modeler. Always good to share a mutual hobby with someone. Starting a Jagdtiger Zug and a King Tiger Zug in 1/100 scale this weekend. Until then I am up to my ears in preparation for being the regional host church for Confirmation Saturday morning. When the Bishop shows everyone jumps through their ass to prepare for her.
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Post by herosrest on Sept 22, 2022 17:04:57 GMT
Too many news outlets giving it when it started for it to be a scam. It's funny, escaping Russian conscription by fleing to Serbia.
Now, there is speculation military mobilisation could be larger than announced. The independent Novaya Gazeta newspaper, which moved its operations to Europe amid a post-war crackdown on media, reported that Vladimir Putin's decree contains an additional paragraph which has been classified and kept secret.
The newspaper alleges that the secret paragraph allows for a call-up of up to a million people, rather than the reported 300,000, citing an unnamed government source.
I haven't found a way to verify classified secret paragraphs written in invisible ink, yet. However, Putin is shortly of on vacation for 17 weeks so things must be desperate. They're getting his yacht ready for a world cruise?
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Post by quincannon on Sept 22, 2022 17:16:23 GMT
My very rough estimate is that Russia would require two to two and a half million TRAINED soldiers to overcome then occupy Ukraine. Regadless, if this million man authorization is real or simply some more of Putin's Pigeon Poop they do not have that many, they are not trained, and they don't have the means to equip them.
Deperate people say desperate things, just like our former presdent did last night saying - that all he has to do is think about it to declassify classified documents, and they are declassified. Every time he and Putin open thier mouths they make bigger fools of themselves. They are cartoons not real people.
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Post by herosrest on Sept 22, 2022 17:16:36 GMT
According to Joe Goldberg with 11.6K answers and 4.6M answer views on Quora - The Germans captured unfinished and damaged T-34s in the Stalingrad tank works when Stalingrad was nearly taken in early autumn of 1942 and made some combat ready and used them. Interestingly, later in the Battle of Stalingrad, the Soviets captured hundreds of German Pz.III which had literally run out of gas during the fall of Stalingrad to the Soviets. The Red Army rebuilt these Pz.III as assault guns and used THOSE against the Germans as the SG-122 and a 76mm version as well. Not to sure about the stuff HERE captured T-34 modified with Flak-88 gun. German beutepanzer T34 88mm L\56. This is online tanking, so anything gooes. I could never figure out why the AH-64 did get the 105mm cannon. Image
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Post by quincannon on Sept 22, 2022 17:20:43 GMT
Seems to me HR, that I read somewhere that the only two armies engaged in WWII that did not put captured equipment into service were ours an Britain's. They didn't need to. The rest did.
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Post by herosrest on Sept 22, 2022 17:25:50 GMT
UK built a hell of a lot of tanks........... not a lot of people know that. I think we both understood you don't fight tanks with tanks. There's an intersting 'reflect' on tank busting here but accuracy, range and lethality are improved today by some orders of capability. WaM.
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Post by quincannon on Sept 22, 2022 17:43:40 GMT
I believe everyone at the start of the war considered the tank to be an offensive weapon, and the anti-tank gun the solution for fighting the tank while on defense. We wasted a hell of a lot of money, time, and personnel on our own tank destroyer force, and everyone else did too. Combat though is the arbiter of these things, and the lesson that came from WWII is that the best anti-tank weapon was another tank. Your Centurion, our M48, the German Leopard 1, and the Russian T55 designed from the outset as Main Battle tanks reflected that change in doctrine about ten years too late for the war. Your Centurion led they way in that regard. Had it not been for the Centurion developed in 1945, there would not have been a prototype available to test the concept. Our first baby steps were the M26, M46, and M47, none of which can be considered an MBT. They did greatly aid in the development of the 48 though.
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Post by herosrest on Sept 22, 2022 17:51:45 GMT
It's horses for courses and the concept as it 'broke' during WW I, left the inter-war cavalry scratching their heads. Germany got tanks punching above their weight but could not sort out the WaM . It's perfectly logical to counter with destroyers and effective anti-armour just look at the mess the Flak-88 caused 'anywhere' it was employed. Yet,even it's kill rate could not win against the floods of M4's and T-34's. They just kept coming. Here's a nice one and the web site has a lot of stuff Click the image. Index at bottom of web page. Afterthought. Imagine all those Flak-88's defending Germany from air attack, instead being near the coast in June 1944.
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Post by herosrest on Sept 22, 2022 18:08:56 GMT
From that resource link I make my point again. Anysways, looks like Putin is trying to get everyone guessing while he goes 1950's era China with the tac-nuke twist. We've been here before. A maniac in charge and no way out. Higher echelon admin who thought Crimea was 'home' and took advantage are supposedly selling up and exiting stage left, right, front and center so just maybe, Russia and/or Putin have been frightened. The Duck quacks The Hum...........09:50, Thu, Sep 22, 2022 | UPDATED: 15:28, Thu, Sep 22, 2022 - Putin reservists get 4 hours to pack as wives say they'll break men's legs to dodge war Russian men were given four hours to pack their bags as Vladimir Putin called up 300,000 reservists to bolster his forces in Ukraine. The announcement prompted tens of thousands of Russians to attempt to flee the country. link
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Post by herosrest on Sept 22, 2022 18:26:47 GMT
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Post by herosrest on Sept 22, 2022 18:37:44 GMT
It is time to cease all diplomacy and diplomatic contact with Russia. Shut borders to Russians. Close embassies and bring everyone home. Get everyone out of there and all of them here go back.
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Post by herosrest on Sept 22, 2022 18:45:33 GMT
You can bet the midnight oil is burning here tonight.
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Post by quincannon on Sept 22, 2022 20:01:08 GMT
The Duck quacks indeed.
That is a great photo HR. Ian showed me that web site a couple of years ago when I started building armor models , and I use it a lot. Never checked out Sweden on the site, so the photo was brand new to me.
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Post by yanmacca on Sept 22, 2022 20:17:52 GMT
You must all look at my site, the Hungarians actually used Landsverk L/60s against the Russians, they were totally out gunned by the T-34 linkThe Hungarians knew them as Toldi's.
Ian
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