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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 20:23:56 GMT
You are not wrong Chuck. It's just that those two are also related to GK.
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Post by quincannon on Jul 8, 2021 20:33:33 GMT
Confused again. I thought GK was descended from those two, who in turn begat Freddy the Big Guy, who had the hots for with Catherine the Big Girl, who in turn found Karl (The Big C) along the banks of the Nile in the bullrushes.
If you cannot have fun in life, I ask you dear ones, what is the point of living. An interlude of mirth, makes every thread filled with most serious matters, a little more tolerable, does it not?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 20:44:29 GMT
Oh, well. Now you bring Freddy into the picture. Things are a little hazy and I suggest Wilbur as another path From GK to Freddy. But it's hazy, because "kings" in Saudi Arabia appear to be proliferate as well, so who really knows what happen when the Golden Horde went thataway. Perhaps Tonto and the Lone Ranger come into the picture, even though they are only TV actors.
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Post by quincannon on Jul 8, 2021 21:15:52 GMT
Only TV Actors, Tonto and the Lone Ranger? You cannot be serious. Next thing you will be telling me that the Lone Ranger's nephew Dan Reed is not the Green Hornet's father. Scandalous sacrilege. The hottest corner of hell for you my boy, you have stepped over a line from which there is no going back.
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Post by yanmacca on Jul 9, 2021 5:47:03 GMT
American TV, influenced a lot of kids from my generation. Some if the earliest programs I remember are from the USA
One of the first was wagon train, But bonanza and Sgt bilko also cone to mind.
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Post by quincannon on Jul 9, 2021 15:04:35 GMT
American TV of that generation, set in people's minds the idea of the rugged individualist, when there is no such thing as a rugged individualist in reality, in America, or anywhere else. Milton remarked, "No man is an island". He must exist in the company of his fellow man, and must either adhere to mankind's standards of conduct or die an outcast.
There are no heroes Ian. There are only people that get up in the morning and do their jobs, and when that job, that part of their life is finished, go on to do something else. Only the immature, the ones who never grow up, look back upon their past small glories. Real people address today for what it is, today, and what you accomplish today, is what you are remembered for today, and tomorrow is a different story.
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Post by mac on Aug 6, 2021 5:12:44 GMT
Tom I am not sure where the Sage Motel is. Can you locate it for me in terms of the Trading Post and the various highways etc.? Cheers
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Post by quincannon on Aug 6, 2021 14:43:23 GMT
On the west side of I 90 Mac, at the I90 and US 212 Interchange.
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Post by azranger on Aug 6, 2021 15:31:04 GMT
I agree Chuck. I just finished putting on a LE PWC class on Lake Powell. We had 6 Coconino County Sheriff deputies, 3 AZGFD officers, and a Lt and Sgt from CCSO. All of them will remember this class as one of the best days they ever had in training. The Sheriff's office will have their first watercraft presence on Lake Mary. This Ranger is proud to have been the instructor for this class.
The determination to put this class together and get all the parts together came from the inner Marine. The details of driving 2,000 miles for equipment and the can do thought process came from within. Most people my age are not active in law enforcement and certainly just the physical stuff of being a Marine and a Ranger has faded over time but the inner attitude is still there. You can choose to stay home and walk the dog or you can participate at some level. I have 8 dogs and they wait for me when I am away.
Regards
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Post by quincannon on Aug 6, 2021 16:25:26 GMT
One of the aspects of life that knows no age limitations is what we pass on to the next, and the next after that, generation, Steve. You do not have to be a former Marine or Park Ranger to do that. That is what being a father is all about. That is what being interested in your community is all about. That is what being a responsible human being is all about. All that is required is knowing something you feel is worthy of being passed on.
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Post by mac on Aug 7, 2021 6:03:31 GMT
Thanks QC. Tom I notice an old river loop going around the Sage Motel out towards the 212, I90 intersection. Do your informants say that this was the river course at the time of the battle or was it dry? Cheers
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Post by yanmacca on Aug 7, 2021 12:11:24 GMT
Sorry Mac, I have nothing for that area, plus all my maps don't show the Sage Motel, the Bonifide map shows the river route circa 1876, but until I know the point to are searching, I can't check.
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Post by quincannon on Aug 7, 2021 13:55:51 GMT
Mac: As you can see the river is going generally north just west of the Sage Motel, and that is pretty consistent with the 1876 course. It seems likely there was a ford there at the time, during periods of low or normal water flow. I would bet money on it.
Ian the Sage Motel is located where the legend box is on the McElfresh Map, or maybe a little below it toward the river.
While these stories, and they are nothing but stories, may be interesting to some, the fact remains that today nothing of Custer's advance or limit of advance can be verified further than the base (west face) of Cemetery Ridge, The Kellogg (old) marker is the closest that anyone can place Custer to the river. He may have been closer, but it cannot be verified, and verification is the point of contention.
Tactically crossing at the Sage Motel area makes a lot of sense to modern eyes, but Custer did not have modern eyes nor the situational awareness we now possess. We cannot blindly assume that Custer knew of any ford being there if indeed there was one, although he did have someone with him that in all probability would have known of one, were it there. Probability and assumption do us absolutely no good, and are poor pillars to base any argument or theory on.
There is also the matter of Indian activity on the east side or the river, as mentioned in the Cheyenne narratives. If they were situated behind those folds in the ground, chances are some note would be taken of their presence from the top of the ridge, unless they (the Indians) had a chance to prepare the ground. There is no indication that this was the case based upon the narratives. Additionally those hunting parties that our explorers and interviewers mention would have certainly been seen either in person, or by the dust they raised as the moved. Then we have not even touched on Wolf Tooth and his merry band still being present in the area. Not too smart to attempt an offensive move across a river with fifty or so hostiles potentially chomping on your hind parts. All that mitigates against an attempt to approach and cross the river, or even leave the CR immediate area.
Until such a day that verifiable evidence is found (and that seems unlikely) Custer in my view cannot be said to have advanced further than the base of Cemetery Ridge
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Post by azranger on Aug 7, 2021 15:00:36 GMT
One of the aspects of life that knows no age limitations is what we pass on to the next, and the next after that, generation, Steve. You do not have to be a former Marine or Park Ranger to do that. That is what being a father is all about. That is what being interested in your community is all about. That is what being a responsible human being is all about. All that is required is knowing something you feel is worthy of being passed on. Never been a Park Ranger but have lots of them as friends and former students. Park Rangers are federal officers. I am a state, Ranger. My son is a Marine, and I have already passed it on. He also has the inner Marine and does quite well at his job. Maybe you got confused since I am an instructor at Northern Arizona University for the Park Ranger Training Program. Over 80 instructors are coming from many agencies and professions. They include NPS, FBI, ATF, USFS, AZ State Troopers, AZGFD, Probation, CCSO, and the county attorney's office. You are arguing with something I never stated. I share my experience and what motivates me. It is important to understand personal backgrounds when assessing the information a person provides. That is lost on message boards because you don't know the person. I think we see Rini posting on other boards. He is held in high regard by lots of other posters. If someone is going to tell me about horses, then I want to know their background. I trust your military comments but not your political beliefs. Your advice on anything other than military subjects is not solicited nor followed. You don't hold a candle to my father who passed on to my sons and me what is important in life. With all due respect. Steve
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Post by quincannon on Aug 7, 2021 15:18:53 GMT
You probably were never the Wizard of Oz, and I don't care about that either.
I don't hold a candle to a lot of people for varied and various reasons. So what's your point? I never said I did.
You do not have a clue what my political beliefs are, do you? You guess, but you do not know, but I am in a generous mood this morning so I will tell you. My political beliefs center around complete fidelity to the Constitution of the United States. all of it, every damned clause and paragraph. That includes the parts I like, and the parts I am not all that fond of. Any no good son of a bitch who calls himself American and does not share those same political beliefs, should be stripped of his citizenship, because he is not an American, in spirit. Now if you do not share those beliefs you are free to leave because you do not qualify for citizenship - by definition, not mine, but rather the criteria mandated in the Constitution for citizenship.
I fully realize that you do not like to be told what I am telling you, but the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments make the criteria for citizenship pretty clear. As they were passed by Congress and ratified by a stipulated majority of the States, they are part of the Constitution, and as such have the very same weight as the First, Second, and Tenth, and all the rest that you rarely refer to in your rhetoric. They are the law of the land, and any measure that Congress passes into law, that meets Constitutional muster to enforce these amendments, are Constitutionally sound. That is the way it is in this country, and to be an American, all you need do is owe complete fidelity to the Constitution, and we are the only country on earth, that has that citizenship stipulation. That, the idea that men are capable of self governance, as long as we keep true to the precepts of self government is what make the United States unique among the nations of the world.
When the administration or Congress in power at the moment does something I like or do not like I exercise my power, the power shared by every American Citizen, to vote, and abide by the majority in that vote, whether I agree with the majority or not. I will have another turn in two or four years, and perhaps I will win then, if not successful now. That is how Americans do it. What we do not do is commit, suborn, or support insurrection, and sedition, as that is frigging TREASON. Those who commit treason should be hung by the nearest tree, and if that fits you, which I certainly hope it does not, then so be it.
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