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Post by quincannon on Nov 9, 2021 18:34:11 GMT
Maintaining discipline is not ratting to the boss. Military discipline is maintained by treating each soldier fairly and with respect, and dealing with infractions by the book, the right way, and not some behind the picket line justice.
Yes, he should have lost his stripes, but he should have lost them the right way,by the imposition of military justice.
What would you think of this situation if it had not been a junior NCO that did the bullying, but rather the Battery Sergeant Major. Who is going to sort him out?
Rough house just is not justice. It only leads to a breakdown of discipline and the destruction of the effectiveness of the chain of command, no matter how well intentioned it was.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 20:42:16 GMT
You always find out if that sort of stuff is going on. No one believes a soldier walked into an open door hard enough to break his collarbone and get a black eye, split lip, and broken teeth.
There are things you can overlook the sergeants doing and there are things you can't. Grabbing someone to make a point is about the limit, but it is still assault and battery. I slapped one of my LTS on the helmet once when he was stupid enough to pick up a projectile down range, which was wrong. I apologized, told him why. (He ignored my verbal warnings to knock it off.) and I told my Commander. No action was taken against me or against my SFB LT.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 21:16:25 GMT
Would have made no difference to me. He would have been charged with Assault and Battery of a NCO versus just Assault and Battery. Still would have dealt with both. But that is me, now and retired from the US Army. I don't know how your Dad's commander would react. Discipline in the Army was somewhat different in WWII. I can't speak to the British Army. When I dealt with them (and the German & Canadian Armies) they were very professional and disciplined. Apparently British Army Dining Ins are more ... boisterous ... than ours.
I'm not getting high and mighty. I just explained how I treated issues like that.
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Post by quincannon on Nov 9, 2021 21:29:47 GMT
We have a system of laws and regulations Ian, that we are sworn to abide by. If Mike or I gave you any other answer it would be one that suborns that sworn duty. I will not do that for anyone, and I don't think he would either.
Your father exhibited poor judgment, and if he were in the American Army, and under my command, he would have faced a court martial, tried, and if convicted he would have gone to prison, for a number of years most likely. An army unit is not like the boys on the job, or the fellows down at the pub. You must maintain discipline, obey the rules, and not engage in vigilante justice. Beating a subordinate, regardless of the reason for which the beating was administered, is a very serious offence in the U S Army. It is against at least five articles, I can think of off hand, of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. If such a thing came to my attention, and I did nothing about it, I too would face a court. If you do not do these things, you do not have an army unit. You have a mob. Discipline is the back bone of professionalism. It can be no other way. You enforce discipline with the authority vested in you by your government to command and lead, not with your fists. The higher you go in rank the more that is expected of you.
I was once involved in a similar situation. It was actually the reverse of the one you described. In this case a subordinate assaulted his platoon sergeant. The man was given a courts martial and got a year behind bars and a dishonorable discharge. Had the platoon sergeant responded by hitting the man back, I would have put the platoon sergeant before a court martial too, with a slightly different set of charges and specifications. Luckily he did not. Justice is also blind as a bat, and necessarily so. And that is how I dealt with issues like that.
What you really need to do is sit down at watch "From Here To Eternity" where this type activity and its repercussions are described in vivid and disturbing detail. Better yet, read the book.
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Post by quincannon on Nov 11, 2021 4:36:57 GMT
Four Rubicon kits arrived in today's mail. Three were Panzer IV J's which can be built as several different versions including the J. Due to the shortage of Vallejo paints I am priming these three with Army Painter Black Primer, and giving at least one a base coat of Tamiya Dark Yellow. The other two are up in the air, right now, but at least one of them will be Tamiya German Grey.
The fourth is a M4A3E2 105 mm howitzer support tank, a brand new release by Rubicon. Must find a Tamiya color that is close to the Vallejo Camo Olive Green I have been using on my other Shermans.
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Post by quincannon on Jan 5, 2022 17:45:12 GMT
Mike: How is the M47 coming along? Look forward to seeing pictures of the finished product. My hobby shop still has one, so I may go for it, but I think a Chafee or another Valentine may be up before the 47.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2022 12:59:34 GMT
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Post by quincannon on Jan 6, 2022 16:58:20 GMT
I take it that this will be your next project. If so Colt will be pleased. The A2 was his mount. Be sure to send him a picture when complete.
I have stayed away from the Tamiya A2, in that I did not want to deal with their old type tracks that never look right. This one looks to be of more recent vintage and I am hoping the tracks are link and length.
I do wish Tamiya would update more of their kits. I obtained a Panzer IV from Sprue Brothers over the holidays and while the bottom of the chassis is old, judging from the imprinted date on the hull bottom, only the hull bottom and road wheels are the same from the mid 1980's kit. Everything else is new tooling, and the tracks are link and length with a jig included to allow you to build in that track sag you see so much in the German, British and Soviet tanks of the period. That's one of the reasons I do like American Armor with live tracks, no sag to contend with. Making the sag look realistic without link and length is an exercise in frustration and super glue
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2022 18:13:52 GMT
Mike: How is the M47 coming along? Look forward to seeing pictures of the finished product. My hobby shop still has one, so I may go for it, but I think a Chafee or another Valentine may be up before the 47. It's still in the box. I am finishing my M48A5. I just painted the first coat of NATO Green and then did the road wheels and have mounted the tracks. The issue now is call it done, or rust up the end connectors and sprockets and mount the machine guns. Never mind about camouflage...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2022 18:15:53 GMT
I take it that this will be your next project. If so Colt will be pleased. The A2 was his mount. Be sure to send him a picture when complete. I have stayed away from the Tamiya A2, in that I did not want to deal with their old type tracks that never look right. This one looks to be of more recent vintage and I am hoping the tracks are link and length. I do wish Tamiya would update more of their kits. I obtained a Panzer IV from Sprue Brothers over the holidays and while the bottom of the chassis is old, judging from the imprinted date on the hull bottom, only the hull bottom and road wheels are the same from the mid 1980's kit. Everything else is new tooling, and the tracks are link and length with a jig included to allow you to build in that track sag you see so much in the German, British and Soviet tanks of the period. That's one of the reasons I do like American Armor with live tracks, no sag to contend with. Making the sag look realistic without link and length is an exercise in frustration and super glue Nope. I already have my Tamiya A2 and then my conversion of one to an M60A1E3 with 105mm gun, a hunter killer sight, and a remote .50. After the M48: M47, M26, T29, T30/34, M8, M551 Sheridan, after that uncertain.
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Post by quincannon on Jan 6, 2022 18:23:32 GMT
I think you told me that you do not have an airbrush. I don;t have one either, and in most cases don;t need one. I find it nearly impossible to paint a camouflage pattern by brush. It always turns out for me looking like I threw a bucket of paint upon a perfectly good solid color base coat. What I do like to do is apply different color washes and use panel liner.
Most of what I do these days is with the small 1/100 scale stuff. Using the washes and panel line, does not camouflage the vehicle but it does dirty it up so that it appears in a used state.
Are you using the Tamiya NATO Green. I think if so, it appear a little too bright to my eye, but I will trust your judgement in that I have only used it on 1/100 scale, and size of model has a direct relationship to color appearance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2022 18:45:28 GMT
I do have an airbrush, but I usually only use it for the initial coat and mine doesn't seem to like Tamiya paints. The old Polly S paints went on smooth as silk, but like most good paints, they are gone. Humbrel worked pretty well and I actually saw some in a hobby shop last week. But I don't want to spend the money for them.
I am used to Forest Green/Medium Green from Model Masters and NATO Green is a very different color. Fortunantly, I am pretty color blind and don't much care. Besides, they sit on a shelf with glass doors.
I can't get washes and panel lines to work for me anymore.
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Post by quincannon on Jan 6, 2022 19:02:55 GMT
Try heavily diluting the wash with tap water. With panel liner, I usually apply it after I have finished the wash process, they apply both strategically and very carefully, with a Q tip close at hand to insure the liner does not get out of control. That is my method, and judging from Pachi's platoon it works quite well. Won't set the paint police world on fire with envy, but I like it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2022 19:20:13 GMT
In the end, your last three words are what matters.
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Post by quincannon on Jan 6, 2022 20:19:05 GMT
Yes, I guess so.
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