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Post by quincannon on Aug 4, 2018 2:42:48 GMT
On a scale of 1 to 10 how plausible do you think that story is?
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Aug 4, 2018 12:32:00 GMT
Ian, I don't have the book right here, but at least two of the three who went back after Martini were leading spare horses for officers. They were to return the spare hoses to the pack train and were told to come back to Custer's group, if possible, Martini was also told that. One would assume to come back with the packs and Benteen(not stated).
Chuck, that is an interesting question. In many ways it is two books.
The first is beautifully presented, well researched with many new nuggets, photos, and it builds from prior to the Washita, through two battles on the Yellowstone expedition, through the LBH. It tells us about a minor Sioux Chief taken hostage on the Black Hills Expedition. It elaborates on the chiefs taken hostage by Custer during the follow up to the Washita to gain the return of two women taken by the Cheyenne in 1868. All of the battles detailed take place on rivers, hence the title. I give this book a 10
The second book is a hatchet job on Benteen, bias driven, opinion laden, and written with an agenda. Having said that it is also well researched and well written. I still give this book a six. Those who blame Benteen and/or Reno will love it as it will reinforce their views.
There is much to recommend the book, when I can learn something new, it is generally worth the investment.
Regards, Tom
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Post by yanmacca on Aug 4, 2018 13:30:01 GMT
On a scale of 1 to 10 how plausible do you think that story is? Do you mean the Korn story? Personally I would shelve it along with some of the others, but if he would have said that he was ordered back along with the others with the spare horses and they made it back along the trail in which they come and got short at or even chased, well I would commend them, but that kind of story would get you no free drinks or praise after the event, in fact they may have been scorned for being lucky enough to be chosen for this task.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Aug 4, 2018 13:48:05 GMT
Also of interest Mike indicates that Custer had decided to allow Keogh lead any attack as he had been on detached service for all other expeditions. He indicates it was Keogh led the way to skirmish at Ford B. As I said there is much new.
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Post by yanmacca on Aug 4, 2018 13:52:24 GMT
Tom, thanks for the info. Does Donahue name any sources for his claims? we have gone through every avenue on this board in search for any break through's which could enlighten us, but they are hard to come by, but Donahue seems to pull them out of a hat.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Aug 4, 2018 13:56:59 GMT
As I said I don't have the book here, but he is pretty good at listing sources. Hopefully I will remember to look that up for you.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Aug 7, 2018 21:23:58 GMT
Ian, no citation on Keogh, just the claimed evidence that Keogh's legging and boot were ford at ford B. the legging had a bullet hole in it. Then Korn said he saw Custer & Keogh going down MTYC toward the ford.
Regards, Tom
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Post by yanmacca on Aug 8, 2018 7:46:45 GMT
Thanks Tom. Korn has opened up a can of worms here, the leggings could be just war booty threw away by the Indians; but it could be said that Keogh was shot through the leg at ford B and his boot was removed by the doc to stop the bleeding.
I just hope that Korn was not doing a martini because sending the spare horses back at this stage of the battle sounds a little strange.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Aug 8, 2018 12:18:56 GMT
Donahue's wording is circumstantial evidence.
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Post by yanmacca on Aug 8, 2018 15:57:46 GMT
Don't like to stir the pot but..didn't Keogh ware a buckskin blouse that day? Buckskin, river, officer shot, Keogh wounded, leggings found in the area, you can see where this is going.
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Post by azranger on Oct 9, 2018 17:04:37 GMT
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Post by Beth on Oct 10, 2018 17:43:33 GMT
Did you mean to share a link to a book about the wine industry?
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Oct 10, 2018 20:49:08 GMT
Yes he did, I mentioned about a month ago that Donohue's book is Where, not When! The name of this thread says When!
Regards, Tom
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Oct 10, 2018 20:49:53 GMT
I do like my wine, though.
Regards, Tom
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Post by mac on Oct 11, 2018 21:12:01 GMT
''Blimmin eck'' The guy is a celeb!
Great article Ian! I note Korn's story has the "usual" LBH variations. One version even includes Custer, naturally. More later on a discussion of what may be closer to what happened. Cheers
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