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Post by mlynn on Jun 2, 2017 14:18:11 GMT
Beth it looks like your GGG and mine served in different divisions. Mine served under Sherman (5th Division) and yours served under Prentiss (6th Division)
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Post by mlynn on Jun 2, 2017 14:22:32 GMT
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Post by Beth on Jun 2, 2017 22:46:53 GMT
What I find so interesting about the CW is even though I only have 2 GGGrandfathers in the conflict, my girls have 5--including a geninue Greybeard.
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Post by carl on Jun 3, 2017 2:26:08 GMT
My wife has 2 Great Grandfathers who served in Union Army in CW. One was in an Illinois Regiment, wounded in one of the skirmishes before Atlanta, and finished as a Medical orderly.
The other was in the 29th Iowa Infantry, which saw considerable action at Jenkins Ferry, Apr 30, 1864.
Coincedently, my Great Grandfather was also at Jenkins Ferry, in Vaughn's Independent Battery (Illinois). |
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Post by mlynn on Jun 15, 2017 15:56:20 GMT
Dave, can you recommend a good book about the Battle of Vicksburg?
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Post by quincannon on Jun 15, 2017 16:06:09 GMT
Not Dave of course ML, but I do have a suggestion for you.
Many of the battlefields I have visited have bookstores. Included within them is a very nice glossy covered booklet of fifty or sixty pages on the particular battle. I have several and they give you a first rate overview of these battles that do go into operational and tactical detail. They usually include decent maps. They do not get down to foxhole level, but they serve to put a person like yourself in the big picture, before you take a deep dive into detail. The one on Vicksburg is particularly good. They are fairly inexpensive.
I would think most of these battlefield book stores have on line services. If so, as I said the book has a glossy paper back cover in large format, and all have a painting associated with the battle on the cover. Think I might look there first.
UPDATE: Just called Vicksburg and found out that this booklet is still in print and on sale at the bookstore. It is published by the Civil War Times, and is approximately 8-1/2 X 11" in size. Lady told me that they sell more of this one book than any other. The phone number for the museum book store is 1-601-634-6286. They take plastic and the price is about 10 bucks with about 4 bucks for shipping |
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Post by mlynn on Jun 15, 2017 17:31:10 GMT
Not Dave of course ML, but I do have a suggestion for you.
Many of the battlefields I have visited have bookstores. Included within them is a very nice glossy covered booklet of fifty or sixty pages on the particular battle. I have several and they give you a first rate overview of these battles that do go into operational and tactical detail. They usually include decent maps. They do not get down to foxhole level, but they serve to put a person like yourself in the big picture, before you take a deep dive into detail. The one on Vicksburg is particularly good. They are fairly inexpensive.
I would think most of these battlefield book stores have on line services. If so, as I said the book has a glossy paper back cover in large format, and all have a painting associated with the battle on the cover. Think I might look there first.
UPDATE: Just called Vicksburg and found out that this booklet is still in print and on sale at the bookstore. It is published by the Civil War Times, and is approximately 8-1/2 X 11" in size. Lady told me that they sell more of this one book than any other. The phone number for the museum book store is 1-601-634-6286. They take plastic and the price is about 10 bucks with about 4 bucks for shipping Thanks! |
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Post by dave on Jun 15, 2017 20:23:24 GMT
And my lips never moved! Great post QC and a wise recommendation for a quick surface source about a campaign that began in earnest after the fall of Corinth in early October of 1862. Grant began his track into Mississippi via the Mississippi Central RR and the Mississippi and Tennessee RR out of Memphis which met in Granada and went South to Jackson. For such a complex operation I would recommend 2 books.
1) "The Beleaguered City: The Vicksburg Campaign, December 1862-July 1863" by Shelby Foote
2) "Vicksburg, 1863" by Winston Groom
You can not go wrong with either book but I like Foote's style of writing but that is just a personal preference.
I do have one more suggestion if you plan to visit Vicksburg and that would be to read about the USS Cairo which was raised and is now a museum which contains the hundreds of artifacts recovered along with the ship. Ed Bearss , who is the National Park Service, to many wrote about the salvage efforts he oversaw in a really good book listed below. It is quite a read as it records her loss and then her discovery.
Hardluck Ironclad: The Sinking and Salvage of the CairoJun 1, 1980
by Edwin C. Bearss
Regards
Dave
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Post by mlynn on Jun 15, 2017 23:15:20 GMT
And my lips never moved! Great post QC and a wise recommendation for a quick surface source about a campaign that began in earnest after the fall of Corinth in early October of 1862. Grant began his track into Mississippi via the Mississippi Central RR and the Mississippi and Tennessee RR out of Memphis which met in Granada and went South to Jackson. For such a complex operation I would recommend 2 books. 1) "The Beleaguered City: The Vicksburg Campaign, December 1862-July 1863" by Shelby Foote 2) "Vicksburg, 1863" by Winston Groom You can not go wrong with either book but I like Foote's style of writing but that is just a personal preference. I do have one more suggestion if you plan to visit Vicksburg and that would be to read about the USS Cairo which was raised and is now a museum which contains the hundreds of artifacts recovered along with the ship. Ed Bearss , who is the National Park Service, to many wrote about the salvage efforts he oversaw in a really good book listed below. It is quite a read as it records her loss and then her discovery. Hardluck Ironclad: The Sinking and Salvage of the CairoJun 1, 1980 by Edwin C. Bearss Regards Dave I too like Shelby Foote as a writer. I have been reading up on the Cairo. It is interesting. Thanks for the book suggestions. |
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Post by dave on Jun 16, 2017 3:27:05 GMT
By the by my avatar is the Mississippi Monument at Vicksburg National Park. The Iowa Monument at Vicksburg is at www.nps.gov/vick/learn/historyculture/iowa-state-memorial.htmIf you and Beth are interested in Iowa Troop at Vicksburg this an excellent site for seeing who was where www.nps.gov/vick/learn/historyculture/iowa-troops-us.htmHopefully Beth can regain her health and y'all will be able to make the 8 hour drive or ride and we can meet and travel the filed together. I look forward to that happening and perhaps we can get the Ole Man of the Mountain, QC, to drop on down and be the river rat he is. Regards Dave |
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Post by mlynn on Jun 16, 2017 3:43:50 GMT
By the by my avatar is the Mississippi Monument at Vicksburg National Park. The Iowa Monument at Vicksburg is at www.nps.gov/vick/learn/historyculture/iowa-state-memorial.htmIf you and Beth are interested in Iowa Troop at Vicksburg this an excellent site for seeing who was where www.nps.gov/vick/learn/historyculture/iowa-troops-us.htmHopefully Beth can regain her health and y'all will be able to make the 8 hour drive or ride and we can meet and travel the filed together. I look forward to that happening and perhaps we can get the Ole Man of the Mountain, QC, to drop on down and be the river rat he is. Regards Dave I don't travel much in the summer because of the crowds and heat. Also, my daughter has several trainings in the summer and has to travel away from home. So, I have to take care of her dogs. This is an exchange for her taking care of my pets while I travel the rest of the year. I like to go to New Mexico in the fall so, it will probably either November or next spring before I get back to Vicksburg. This will give me time to study up on it a bit more. It would be awesome if you two could meet there so I can pick your brains with questions. Also, it would be nice to meet you all. |
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Post by quincannon on Jun 16, 2017 3:44:57 GMT
Last time I was at Vicksburg, scene of the infamous comment, that will remain long in the annals of mankind's less than illustrious history - "Don't know why you and John (my brother in law) have to make so many stops. One damned cannon looks like another" - At that point John and I decided to park the Madam and her sister down on one of those riverboat casinos, and return to our historical reflections. I think between us the family fortunes were in the hole about 500 bucks, but I did get a very nice polo shirt from the casino before the Madam told me that we may have to use the credit card to buy gas on the way home.
So the answer is as soon as the casinos sink to the bottom of the Mississippi, I may consider it.
Actually as ML will soon find out the main interest I would have in that campaign is the prelude of masterful maneuver. After that it was just like any Alamo movie you ever saw - boring. If it comes to a siege, it is for the besieged - all over. Same reason I have no real great interest in the Pacific War past the month and year of my birth, it was a foregone conclusion.
I am pretty sure that piece in ML's new avatar is the howitzer in question. Yes, I am sure it is. I recognize that missing chip of paint on the trail, nicked by the beer bottle the Madam made when she was in the process of adjusting fire in my direction when she made her infamous remarks. I'm just glad Carl was nowhere around or I would have been a goner. |
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Post by mlynn on Jun 16, 2017 3:58:28 GMT
Last time I was at Vicksburg, scene of the infamous comment, that will remain long in the annals of mankind's less than illustrious history - "Don't know why you and John (my brother in law) have to make so many stops. One damned cannon looks like another" - At that point John and I decided to park the Madam and her sister down on one of those riverboat casinos, and return to our historical reflections. I think between us the family fortunes were in the hole about 500 bucks, but I did get a very nice polo shirt from the casino before the Madam told me that we may have to use the credit card to buy gas on the way home. So the answer is as soon as the casinos sink to the bottom of the Mississippi, I may consider it. Actually as ML will soon find out the main interest I would have in that campaign is the prelude of masterful maneuver. After that it was just like any Alamo movie you ever saw - boring. If it comes to a siege, it is for the besieged - all over. Same reason I have no real great interest in the Pacific War past the month and year of my birth, it was a foregone conclusion. I have taken friends to battlefields before and they reacted in the same way. They were totally bored and pretty much ruined it for me. They just didn't get why I was so excited by fields, grass, hills, cannons and monuments. Therefore, I don't visit them unless the person I am with is also a cw junkie. I went to Shiloh with my sister who is a cw junkie and a family historian. That trip was great and we covered the whole battleground while focusing on the Hornet's Nest where the Iowans fought. I am always willing to travel with people who can see beyond the surface and see the past. I am known for traveling by myself often because I am an explorer more than a planner and love absolutely everything about traveling. If I cannot find someone wanting to go do what I do, I just assume go by myself. I have traveled to all the States except for 5 and have not even scratched the surface. But, enough of that. |
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Post by quincannon on Jun 16, 2017 4:13:00 GMT
Best battlefield tour of them all for me ever was Chickamauga. I was TDY for about 6 weeks at Fort McClellan in Anniston, Alabama (a real sucko town). I stopped by the battlefield on the way to McClellan, but did not stay more than an hour. What I did though was buy three books on the battle and a good map at the museum bookstore. Then during those six weeks consumed them. On the way back I took a whole day and roamed by myself armed with battle field maps and the knowledge gained from my reading.
My lesson from Vicksburg is to make sure the Madam has a good mystery along with her. At LBH we took the mandatory tour road so she could say I've been there. Then I parked her on that nice little shaded veranda beside the museum, with a cold drink and her mystery and off I went.
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Post by mlynn on Jun 16, 2017 4:30:12 GMT
Best battlefield tour of them all for me ever was Chickamauga. I was TDY for about 6 weeks at Fort McClellan in Anniston, Alabama (a real sucko town). I stopped by the battlefield on the way to McClellan, but did not stay more than an hour. What I did though was buy three books on the battle and a good map at the museum bookstore. Then during those six weeks consumed them. On the way back I took a whole day and roamed by myself armed with battle field maps and the knowledge gained from my reading. My lesson from Vicksburg is to make sure the Madam has a good mystery along with her. At LBH we took the mandatory tour road so she could say I've been there. Then I parked her on that nice little shaded veranda beside the museum, with a cold drink and her mystery and off I went.So |
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