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Post by yanmacca on Jan 13, 2019 19:35:50 GMT
Apparently the fort commander was convinced that the fort would come under sustained Indian attack, so he kept the bulk of his garrison behind the stockade walls just protecting the fort, but unknown to him was the fact that the Indians had no intention off attacking the fort en-mass because they were afraid of the forts howitzers, the weapon they called 'the gun that fires twice'
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Post by Beth on Jan 13, 2019 20:59:27 GMT
From the Fetterman site you can see the wheel ruts of the Bozeman Trail.
Regards, Tom The old wheel ruts from the different trails just amaze me. First because they are still visible and then to think of all the emotions that went into just packing up all you own and move on to an unknown place.
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Post by quincannon on Jan 13, 2019 21:14:26 GMT
There are a couple of places off of I70 in Kansas where you can see the same type ruts from the Sante Fe Trail, and more that can be seen near the ruins of old Fort Union, down in New Mexico. I agree Beth, it is both a silent and significant connection with our past, and especially so when you live in the west.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Jan 13, 2019 23:51:48 GMT
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Post by colt45 on Jan 14, 2019 3:36:24 GMT
On the highway from Cimarron to Raton in New Mexico, just outside Cimarron, you can see the wagon ruts of the Santa Fe trail. It is amazing they are still there, even though they are a little faint.
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Post by quincannon on Jan 14, 2019 4:33:03 GMT
That's on the so called Cimarron Bypass isn't it Colt? The original trail went into Colorado and Bent's Fort in LaJunta (now on US50 east of Pueblo) was a wayside stop. Then proceeded from there down over Raton Pass into New Mexico. The Bypass was laid out to avoid Raton, which in the old days before I25 was a problem even on paved roads. You don't want to be there in a winter storm.
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Post by yanmacca on Jan 14, 2019 9:53:07 GMT
Talking about winter storms, I see that Tom has a whole shit load of snow coming in his direction.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Jan 14, 2019 11:17:07 GMT
Yea, I was shoveling global warming yesterday and clearing vehicles. Will do it again this morning, and will be dealing with wheel ruts. I hope we send it along to Widnes, such a joy, shame to miss out.
Regards, Tom
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Post by yanmacca on Jan 14, 2019 12:05:12 GMT
I don't know what the stuff looks like except on a Christmas card. But you can be sure the back end of that storm will make it over here and it will be in rain form, all we can hope for is that it dumps most of it on Ireland first and the rest gets blown north over Scotland. But they are used to rain in those parts.
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Post by colt45 on Jan 14, 2019 14:06:29 GMT
The Santa Fe trail ruts are almost into Cimarron itself. They are visible just north of the city limits on the east side of the highway to Raton. I25 is way, way east of there.
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Post by quincannon on Jan 14, 2019 15:51:16 GMT
I was not clear enough.
The Sante Fe Trail led west from Fort Leavenworth. The original route was across Kansas to Bent's Fort, Colorado (modern La Junta). From there it turned south, over Raton Pass, straight south again to Las Vegas, New Mexico, then turned westward to Santa Fe. Later, a new route was laid out. Like the first it went across Kansas, but only half way, when it turned southwest, across part of Oklahoma, into New Mexico, and joined up with the original trail at Las Vegas, NM. This new route became known as the Cimarron Bypass, or Cimarron Cutoff. After that the original trail was referred to as "the Mountain Route". The town of Cimarron is located along the Cimarron Cutoff and the route is so named because it crossed the Cimarron River.
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Post by yanmacca on Jan 14, 2019 15:55:59 GMT
The only Cimarron I know is Cimarron Strip and I only used to watch that because of Jill Townsend.
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Post by quincannon on Jan 14, 2019 16:16:55 GMT
Well consider that above as a period of enlightenment, so as to get your mind out of the gutter, and lust banished from your conscience moments.
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Post by yanmacca on Jan 14, 2019 16:29:01 GMT
Well I was only twelve at the time, me and the boys in school were torn between her and Diana Rigg.
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Post by quincannon on Jan 14, 2019 17:39:21 GMT
Diana Rigg, hands down.
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