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Post by admin3 on Jun 6, 2016 13:30:43 GMT
Yanmaaca, I see you paid almost twenty bucks for a burger, well sir you were robbed.
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Post by quincannon on Jun 6, 2016 13:51:15 GMT
David:
Congratulate your daughter for me.
Tell your granddaughter to take her time, lots of it.
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The price of the burger included air fare to Kansas City in the cheap seats.
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Post by yanmacca on Jun 6, 2016 14:24:52 GMT
I love photographs David, they are time capsules and I envy how kids these days have a camera available in their mobile phones as we were lucky if we saw a camera never mind have one with a full role of film, it was very expensive to buy film let alone develop a roll, so cameras were used sparingly and at special occasions.
So embrace the time you have with your grand kids now, because soon he or she will be beating you at soccer.
You are right Admin3 it was highway robbery, if we went to Weatherspoons I could have had steak and chips plus a glass of house red for the same price.
Chuck I wish it had included the airfare to the Isle of Man and that is the only service from Liverpool which still uses props.
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on Jun 6, 2016 15:06:52 GMT
I love photographs David, they are time capsules and I envy how kids these days have a camera available in their mobile phones as we were lucky if we saw a camera never mind have one with a full role of film, it was very expensive to buy film let alone develop a roll, so cameras were used sparingly and at special occasions. So embrace the time you have with your grand kids now, because soon he or she will be beating you at soccer. You are right Admin3 it was highway robbery, if we went to Weatherspoons I could have had steak and chips plus a glass of house red for the same price. Chuck I wish it had included the airfare to the Isle of Man and that is the only service from Liverpool which still uses props. Thank you, Ian. She is already kicking my butt in the energy department. It was joyous/sad looking at the before and after. From baby to big girl and smart as a whip. Now she even buckles herself into her car seat (sigh). Believe we were discussing tanks..... |
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Post by yanmacca on Jun 6, 2016 15:21:33 GMT
I can talk tanks all day David, what do you want to know?
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on Jun 6, 2016 18:47:38 GMT
I can talk tanks all day David, what do you want to know? T-34 v Panther is always a fun topic. |
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Post by dave on Jun 6, 2016 19:00:42 GMT
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Post by quincannon on Jun 6, 2016 20:10:54 GMT
The one thing to remember about tanks is all they are is an armored box. With imagination and ingenuity you can continue to upgrade them as long as the upgrade will fit inside the armored box
Two cases in point - The M-4's upgraded with a more powerful engine, transmission and 105mm main gun by Israel, and the M41 that Norway put to good use by upgrade, long after its sell date by other nations.
I would take a BAR over anything currently on the battlefield for accuracy, and rugged reliability Dave, any goddamned day of the week and twice on Sundays, and you could put the M-14 right in their beside it. Not against modern, just for rugged reliability.
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Post by colt45 on Jun 6, 2016 21:53:28 GMT
I guess it's good to see that my old mount, the M60, still has some life left in it after all the new fire system upgrades. It still, however, is a maintenance hog. |
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Post by dave on Jun 6, 2016 21:55:17 GMT
Agree with the BAR being a useful tool for the grunts and maybe used if we keep cutting defense spending. I see we are about to run out of bombs they have had in stock. What will be next, dropping dead armadillos hoping the enemy gets leprosy?
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Post by colt45 on Jun 6, 2016 21:56:00 GMT
The one thing to remember about tanks is all they are is an armored box. With imagination and ingenuity you can continue to upgrade them as long as the upgrade will fit inside the armored box Two cases in point - The M-4's upgraded with a more powerful engine, transmission and 105mm main gun by Israel, and the M41 that Norway put to good use by upgrade, long after its sell date by other nations. I would take a BAR over anything currently on the battlefield for accuracy, and rugged reliability Dave, any goddamned day of the week and twice on Sundays, and you could put the M-14 right in their beside it. Not against modern, just for rugged reliability. I'm with you on this one Chuck. Especially where the M14 is concerned. I have an M1A, which is a knockoff of the M14, and far prefer it to any of the plastic AR variants out there today for just the reason you mention: rugged reliablity. Yes, it's heavier than the ARs and I can't carry as much ammunition as a 5.56 dude, but I'll take the 7.62 over the 5.56 anytime, anywhere, for penetration and knockdown. |
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Post by dave on Jun 6, 2016 22:32:18 GMT
I remember reading accounts of Marines when island fighting the Japanese how effective the BAR was removing the danger of spider holes. The guys used the BAR to penetrate the cover and the Tommy Guns 45. caliber shells could be used to kill them when forced out into the opening.
If they were to be used in modern war would they be better than existing infantry weapons such as the M-60 for some combat roles? How difficult would be to carry enough ammo?
Just curious.
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Dave
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Post by quincannon on Jun 7, 2016 0:49:44 GMT
Defense spending: Look at a pie chart of defense spending, and see how much of that pie is devoted to personnel costs alone. That pie includes retired old buzzards like me who must be maintained in the luxurious style I would like to become accustomed to, as well as all of the guys on active duty. That is where most of you defense dollar goes. With longer life expectancy that percentage figure is going to be maintained for a good number of years yet. It will go down as the retiree population drops off and at the force structure is leveled off to a size that meets our requirements.
If you want to reduce the personnel portion write your Congressman and ask him why we still maintain headquarters force levels (non fighters each and every one of them)at about the same levels they were during the time of the mobilization based force, that have not adapted to the requirements of the twenty-first century, and then say what in the flying screw are you going to do about it.
It not the weapons or the weapons cost Dave. It is paying for people.
We are not going to run out of bombs or ammo, or anything else necessary to kill our enemies. People want you to believe that to raise your level of feeding frenzy. It just ain't so. They frigging lie for purpose Dave, and the purpose is to instill a sense of fear in you, and you, and you.
Any weapon that can kill someone can be found a use for. The M14 is a rifleman's rifle and still in use for specific tasks. The BAR has not seen any US service since the late 1960's when the last were phased out of the MTO&E's. I prefer the 14, but also realize that it would be of little widespread use, where the assault rifle is more utilitarian.
You can carry about twice the ammo for an M16/M4 as you can for an M14 per man. What that means to the average Joe is that in places where supply lines are long and subject to interdiction you are better off with the M16/M4. Where they are not, and you rate your supply source as secure and responsive it does not really matter. In the end it always comes down to logistics.
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Post by yanmacca on Jun 7, 2016 7:26:54 GMT
I think that the Belgians made better use of the BAR, the FN model had a few improvements which made their version a better weapon, the first thing they did was to add a way to quickly change the barrel, which prevented the thing from overheating when in sustained fire mode, some versions were also capable of being belt-fed which also increased its rate of fire and they also added a pistol grip.
This version was used by the Belgian army in 7.65mm and sold to the Swedes as the Kg m/21 (6.5mm) and to polish army as the Wz. 1928 (7.92mm).
I also feel that the heavy 7.92mm is a better round then the smaller NATO round, let’s face it, it is still the round of choice of all of our enemies, so why let them out gun us?
The US Marines soon adopted a method of dealing with stubborn Japanese defenders and this was termed as “Blowtorch and Corkscrew” this entailed a section of four marines, one with a Thompson, one with a BAR, one with satchel charges and one with a flame-thrower, the marines armed with automatics kept the strong-point quite while another marine lobbed in a satchel charge, they guy with the flame-thrower finished the job and if any tried to escape they were cut down by the Thompson and BAR.
Yan.
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Post by yanmacca on Jun 7, 2016 7:36:25 GMT
A lot of people don’t know that the from 1941 to early 1944, the T-34 was a four man tank, which meant that it only had a two man turret, which made the commander not only the commander but the main gunner too, this along with poor crew training, bad optics, lack of radios and no mechanic on board, over shadowed the good points like excellent cross country speed, well sloped armour and powerful main gun, and once the Germans got over their initial shock, they knocked them out in large numbers, but one of the main faults was the lack of an on board mechanic, because if it broke-down they had to call for a maintenance truck and as we all know, in a combat zone this is not always at hand, and this resulted in large numbers of T-34s falling into German hands.
Yan.
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