Custer's Image through History

[Beth]

I found these two articles that I thought I would pass on as 'of interest'.

Custerology


George Armstrong Custer: Changing Views of an American Legend

[deadwoodgultch]

I know most times, I seem to be a Custer hater, I really am not. My issues with GAC begin with the period after the ACW. here is a quote from "Little Bighorn Appendices" that pretty much dovetails with my own.

"“His career may be thus briefly given: He was born in obscurity; he rose to eminence; denied social advantages in his youth, his untiring industry supplied them; the obstacles to his advancement became the stepping-stones to his fortunes; free to choose for good or evil, he chose rightly; truth was his striking characteristic . . . his acts found his severest critic in his own breast; he was a good son, a good brother, a good and affectionate husband, a Christian soldier, a steadfast friend. Entering the army a cadet in early youth, he became a general while still on the threshold of manhood; with ability undeniable, with valor proved on many a hard-fought field, he acquired the affection of the nation; and he died in action at the age of thirty-seven, died as he would have wished to die, no lingering disease preying upon that iron frame. At the head of his command, the messenger of death awaited him; from the field of battle where he had so often ‘directed the storm,’ his gallant spirit took its flight. Cut off from aid, abandoned in the midst of incredible odds . . . the noble Custer fell, bequeathing to the nation his sword; to his comrades an example; to his friends a memory, and to his beloved a Hero’s name.”"

[quincannon]

Who wrote that undiluted pile of buffalo shit?

[deadwoodgultch]

The quote comes from Cyrus Townsend Brady's full book which is a portion of a much larger compilation of materials found in "The Little Bighorn Appendices." The compilation was put together by Patrick Griffith. Inclusions in this rather large book include:

CENTURY MAGAZINE, Vol. XLIII.
(Article) CUSTER’S LAST BATTLE.
Colonel Edward S. Godfrey.

Scribner s Magazine for June, 1895.
(Article) INDIAN WARS AND THE CUSTER DEATH.
Dr. E. Benjamin Andrews.

(Article) THE INDIANS STORY OF THE CUSTER FIGHT.
(COMPILED FROM THE LAST GREAT INDIAN COUNCIL BOOK).

PERSONAL RECOLLECTIONS AND OBSERVATIONS.
(Article) ACCOUNT OF THE CUSTER MASSACRE FROM HIS BOOK.
GENERAL NELSON A.MILES .

FULL BOOK) RECORD OF ENGAGEMENTS WITH HOSTILE INDIANS.
(COMPILED FROM OFFICIAL RECORDS).
Record of engagements with hostile Indians within the Military division of the Missouri, from 1868 to 1882.
Lieutenant General P. H. Sheridan.

(FULL BOOK) THE STORY OF THE SOLDIER.
Brigadier-General George A. Forsyth
CONTENTS.
1.THE WAR WITH MEXICO.
2.ACCOUNT FRONTIER FROM 1846 TO 1860.
3.ROUTINE WORK.
4.INDIAN TROUBLES 1866 AND 1867.
5.THE SIOUX CAMPAIGN.
6.WINTERS FIGHT IN THE SIOUX CAMPAIGN.
7.CLOSE OF THE SIOUX CAMPAIGN.
8.ARIZONA AND THE APACHE.
9.THE NEZ PERCES.
FULL BOOK) THE SOLDIER AND THE SIOUX.
CYRUS TOWNSEND BRADY
1.Group of famous war chiefs.
2.The Tragedy of Fort Phil Kearney.
3.The Thirty-two Against the Three Thousand.
4.Forsyth and the Rough Riders of ’68.
5.With Crook’s Advance.
6.Ex-Trooper Towne on the Rosebud Fight.
7.The Little Big Horn Campaign.
8.One of the Last Men to See Custer Alive.
9.The Personal Story of Rain-in-the-Face.
10.A Decisive Blow.
11.Miles’ Great Campaigning.

Hope this helps! You can acquire it on Amazon for $2.99

[yanmacca]

Here is a famous image of Custer and Bloody Knife, and it looks like they are picking out a few horses in the local paper for the Preakness Stakes, you can just hear BK saying to GAC, this one looks good and its 8-1.

[quincannon]

Sounds just like Brady. He thought Fetterman a noble soul as well.

Not wanting to start a food fight here, but that statement of Brady's seems to me at least a benign form of racism and religious superiority over the pagan horde. Brady was a pastor of some form. I cannot remember which denomination.

The Indians were the embodiment of heathen evil to him as they were to many in his time. They massacred the forces of good, and the devil himself must have had a hand in it lest that is the only way a good Christian could be overcome by the savage. POOP. They overcame because they were better prepared mentally, and physically than their good Christian opposition.

One wonders what take Brady would have on this had Custer been defeated by the forces of the Pope, The Archbishop of Canterbury Martin Luther, or John Calvin. Probably at least two or three of those would change his commentary to read, those stupid sons of bitches bumbled in and got the ass whipping they deserved, good riddance.

 

[deadwoodgultch]

He was an Episcopalian, who also preached against women's suffrage.

[quincannon]

Bet he still had the same trouble with the women on the Altar Guild that all Episcopal priests do. No wonder he did not want them to vote.

[Beth]

Jul 6, 2016 17:42:05 GMT quincannon said:

Bet he still had the same trouble with the women on the Altar Guild that all Episcopal priests do. No wonder he did not want them to vote.

I would be willing to bet that there are people who are still put out because women got the right to vote.

The Brady quote those is so typical for the writing style of his time, very florid and never speak ill of the dead.

Tom I have that book as well and have it well worth the price.  I'm trying to remember though if it was were I read a reporters interview of an Indian that was so loaded with "Ughs" and "Heap lot of" it was like reading a Bugs Bunny script.

[deadwoodgultch]

Might have missed that.

[yanmacca]

We all know which country was first (and rightly too) to give the ladies a vote don't we?

I will give you a clue, it is closer to Mac then you guys.

[deadwoodgultch]

I will add some trivia here, the first women granted suffrage in the US was in a territory. Shortly after The Red Cloud War and the Fetteman Fight. They also elected the first female governor in 1925.

Wyoming's Equality Heritage
Wyoming is also known as the "Equality State" because of the rights women have traditionally enjoyed here. Wyoming women were the first in the nation to vote, serve on juries and hold public office.

In 1869, Wyoming's territorial legislature became the first government in the world to grant "female suffrage" by enacting a bill granting Wyoming women the right to vote. The act was signed into law on December 10 of that year by Governor A.J. Campbell.

Less than three months after the signing of that act, on February 17, 1870, the "Mother of Women Suffrage in Wyoming"-Ester Hobart Morris of South Pass City-became the first woman ever to be appointed a justice of the peace. Laramie was also the site for the first equal suffrage vote cast in the nation by a woman-Mrs. Louisa Swain on September 6, 1870.

In 1894, Estelle Reel (Mrs. Cort F. Meyer) became one of the first women in the United States elected to a state office, that of Wyoming State Superintendent of Public Instruction.

In 1924, Mrs. Nellie Tayloe Ross was the first elected woman governor to take office in the United States. She took office on January 5, 1925, 20 days before "Ma" Ferguson of Texas (elected on the same day) took office. Mrs. Ross went on to become the first woman to be appointed Director of the United States Mint-a position she held for 20 years, from 1933 to 1953. In 1991, women held three of the state's five top elective positions and a total of 23 women hold seats in the Wyoming Legislature, three in the Senate and 20 in the House.

[quincannon]

Ian: Not to be esoteric but what Tom pointed out to you is a product of the Tenth Amendment to the U S Constitution, in that the States have right to set their own voting laws. Every State is different in detail, and Wyoming, our immediate neighbor to the north had theirs in place before New Zealand. Voting laws and rules are not determined by the Federal Government.

The Federal Constitution is silent on most things dealing with voting, limiting itself to terms of office, direct popular election of Senators (it was not always that way), and the ever popular Electoral College, which most do not understand (It is there for a reason, but those who champion direct popular election for Federal office of which there are only two, president and vice president don't like it worth squat)

[yanmacca]

Well Chuck I think we will have a lady PM soon, as there are two woman and one man standing to replace Cameron, the man's name is Gove and I wouldn't trust the slimy git as far as I could our car.

[deadwoodgultch]

Heard the same. May, I think her name is and from what little I can discern seems to be a straight shooter, read a bit about her on Monday, or Tuesday. I know little of Leadsom.