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Post by herosrest on Jun 29, 2022 15:46:36 GMT
Force structure and strength. Primary Need is anti-artillery. A facet of warfare long overlooked. Counter battery and anti missile defence is cart before the carrot acceptance of bumb complacency which beggars belief. Find enemy artillery and destroy it immediately - a constant effort. Unending. Find the gun systems and kill there and then. Russian doctrine melts away into the void of 'Mummy, help us!'. Game over on the ground.
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Post by herosrest on Jun 29, 2022 15:53:04 GMT
The ground fight is a boxing match. Punch through and do not waste time or effort subduing fortified defences. Ignore them in the strategic interest which is prevent and obliterate resupply capability. And then reinforcement. You want resupply and reinforcement of Russian efforts going into the southern mountains. Wither on the vine.
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Jun 29, 2022 15:54:33 GMT
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Post by herosrest on Jun 29, 2022 15:54:33 GMT
Opening phase. Retake Mariupol.
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Post by herosrest on Jun 29, 2022 15:58:10 GMT
Locate and destroy artillery.
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Post by herosrest on Jun 29, 2022 16:31:17 GMT
Poland’s sale of its 155 mm Krab Self Propelled Howitzer (SPH) to Ukraine to make up for what has emerged as Kiev’s weakness, and the Russian strength in artillery systems, has bared the weapon’s centrality to the Russian military doctrine. eurasiantimes.com/russias-200-year-old-artillery-first-doctrine-that-devastated-ukraine/June 28 assessment- inews.co.uk/news/world/russia-winning-artillery-war-ukraine-tactics-heavy-weapons-1710572?ico=related_stories As Russia exerts its artillery dominance in Ukraine, outgunned Kyiv is going to have to resort to smart tactics to make a dent in Moscow’s offensive in the east. Military experts say Kyiv cannot beat its opponent in an artillery duel as it does not have enough long-range systems – but it has a shot at neutralising the enemy. Russia’s artillery capability, which forms a core part of its fighting doctrine, hugely outmatches Ukraine’s – it is said to be 10 times more powerful. How Much the russian Artillery Outnumbers Ukraine’s In Density And Amount of Systems en.defence-ua.com/analysis/how_much_the_russian_artillery_outnumbers_ukraines_in_density_and_amount_of_systems-3260.htmlArtillery arsenal www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLMpLY8jqzsArtillery arsenal www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44579/this-is-russias-much-feared-artillery-arsenal-that-could-wreak-havoc-on-ukraineRussian artillery www.revistaejercitos.com/en/2022/01/23/russian-artillery/Russian authority claims spokesman-recorder.com/2022/06/29/russia-claims-images-show-artillery-systems-in-action-taking-out-ukrainian-troops/Russia likes big guns, so an anti-artillery doctrine is not such a bad idea. Of course finding the buggers as they shoot and scoot was head ache in the old days. Range, of course is the difficulty with some of these things shooting out to 70 kliks or so they say, but, that does a lot of good against a fast moving assault which has penetrated opposition and dispersed beyond. Didn't the Germans try this after disastrous fashion in the 1940's. Things have moved on, of course. How do you kill mobile artillery 50 miles distant? Well, you need to locate it! Well done. Then what? Ho hum.................. Let's try again. Look, there's an artillery piece! What now? Here's a clue - It's not find and twiddle.
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Jun 29, 2022 16:46:07 GMT
Post by quincannon on Jun 29, 2022 16:46:07 GMT
You know HR, my liking your posts do not automatically mean that I agree with all of them. What it sometimes means is that I find it completely refreshing, a breath of sea breezes on the sensors, when someone is thinking outside the box. Keep it up. I enjoy it
As to your multi-post diatribe on artillery though, I am in complete agreement. Russians mass their artillery. That is a cultural thing with them, as they do not have enought highly trained cannon cockers to do otherwise. The way you beat massed artillery is with highly dispersed MLRS/HIMARS, a battery of nine firing from nine different places, under single control, all aiming at the same target.
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Jun 29, 2022 17:08:41 GMT
Post by herosrest on Jun 29, 2022 17:08:41 GMT
OMG. That is................ omg..................... link Chapter 3 - Field Artillery Tactics and Techniques - FM 101-5-1/MCRP 5-2A Anyway, hunting guns........... that is artillery distant from battle and line of advance. Well, we have identified threats (targets) which if destroyed will neuter the enemies offensive capability. A draft analysis has been rapidly transmitted to the defence procurement assessment team and in every likelyhood we should have the capability to destroy this primary threat by 2036, given funding and successful development trials. Dammit. I just want to kill their guns. NOW!!! That is - guns dead and game over.
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Jun 29, 2022 17:29:32 GMT
Post by herosrest on Jun 29, 2022 17:29:32 GMT
Get SLAr and a battalion of WaMs, pdq asap yesterday. They are going on the hunt!
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Jun 29, 2022 17:56:55 GMT
Post by herosrest on Jun 29, 2022 17:56:55 GMT
Sir!
7th WaM Batt are being equipped for stealth operations and equipped 8 each with Hero 120's. A resupply issue of 24 per vehicle is authorised to be established into forward depots with fuel and maintenance. Effective strength is 217 units. They are to listen only and have secure spectrum to our counter battery surveillance units. CO is requetsing mission spec for deployment onto enemy rear areas for passive engagements.
That's Custer's bunch. They sit tight in concealment on the ground, 20-50 miles in, co-ordinate SLAR recon and counter battery intel and they KILL GUNS 24-7. If a Russian gun opens fire - it dies.
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Post by quincannon on Jun 29, 2022 18:04:46 GMT
We have that ability now HR.
I read the other day where your Army's Chief of Staff (I guess that's what you call him) said that the British Army had better start preparations for a land war in Europe. I have been disappointed in the British Army of late. Like many others, including our own, they have made the decision to concentrate their force structure on the small wars, such as Afghanistan. I suppose they have never heard of a guy like Putin, who has continental ambitions. That seems to be our failing as well.
The way you have divided your force is conducive to the small conflict, but it is ill prepared for a big war, and big wars are what the majority of any nations force structure must be prepared for. Little wars in many ways take care of themselves, as long as we understand it is easier to adapt to small from big, rather than adapt from small to big.
You keep on thinking outside the box HR. My fervent desire is that my countrymen, and some of yours, would learn to think, and by that I mean think beyond the bridge of their snotty noses. You may not know this, but after I retired from active duty I was in the flooring business for nearly twenty years. The hardest thing that we encountered is that most of our customers had no ability to conceive what "new and different" would look like. They had no vision, and it was frustrating beyond belief. One of life's lessons.
Yes, if a Russian gun line executes a fire mission, its future life span should be no more that three minutes. Were you a cannon cocker in some past life? Pachi was a combat engineer, and if you read his posts carefully, you will see that former profession show itself in his writings.
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Jun 29, 2022 19:16:55 GMT
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Post by herosrest on Jun 29, 2022 19:16:55 GMT
Thank you. I'm not sure what constitutes a large war if Ukraine isn't but know you realise this. Russia has 1 in 5 of its army commited. It seems their reserve approaches 2 million. The strength commited to Putin's War was unable to dominate the field and is now playing mouse with a block of cheese. Artillery is what they do and currently there is no real counter to the weight of fire which can be assembled. Past production is as I understand it, sitting around rusting but able to brought back to servicability. What worked in 1944 still does and seems to be their only solution - overkill sublime.
The essense of WaM is affordability. A general purpose vehicle mass produced at dirt cheap and as numerous as the 1940's Jeep. Little conflict. Big one. It doesn't matter. Adaptability is the point. Turning back the tide and time it takes to develop reliable and useful systems. A solution to Russian nee Soviet artillery tactics is long overdue. Current systems involve selling your soul, grandmother and kitchen sink sink, to finance. Good enough won WWII and will always overcome any aggression which cannot land a knockout blow at get go. This why China is such a potent threat if considered a rival or enemy.
At the moment, Russia has developed a free hand in Ukraine to dictate the play. Crimea destroys that if it were retaken involving recapture of Mariupol as well and not completely clearing Russian forces from Crimea leaves them a huge headache. Ukraine does not have the means for victory and Russia hasn't employed sufficient force to overcome an unyielding opponent. Ukraine is at the limit of Russian economic and military capability. Crimea at the bounds of Ukraine's. Who can do the more damage?
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Jun 29, 2022 23:56:03 GMT
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Post by herosrest on Jun 29, 2022 23:56:03 GMT
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Jun 30, 2022 3:04:09 GMT
Post by quincannon on Jun 30, 2022 3:04:09 GMT
HR: Perhaps it is my background, but I do firmly believe that the thing that tankers fear most is two Infantrymen with a fire and forget missile with a range of 3000 meters, who can hide in terrain, to the point where no satalite or drone can pick them up, shoot and move away, still undiscoverd. It helps if a third guy is somewhere nearby in a pick up truck like vehicle, to move them away a bit faster. It's in keeping with my ever present conscienceness of the Ninth Principle of War ------ KISS.
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Post by herosrest on Jun 30, 2022 7:59:55 GMT
We are, believe it or not on the same ground with simple and simple is the point of WAM. Unfortunately, a reliance upon infinately refined and developing technology leaves a trail of stupid in its wake and that stupid is something little discussed. It is here - PLA drones swarm US naval vessels in US coastal waters. I guess that you see a huge logistics and maintenance trail for something like a WaM battalion. The opposite is reality since they are unmanned and require support at the level of the family auto. One guy maintaining a troop of vehicles. They supply themselves and everything else. In your anti=tank mission is the quintessential infantry anti-tank response. A WaM could deploy to the rear with a payload of multiple missles and sit in hiding until requested to put one up. Much safer for that brave of anti-tankers. When the WaM's pay;oad is expended it returns to it field depot, gets a shot of fuel, new payload and mission profile and off again. The new mission might be a smaller offensive load and resupply for the pair of anti-tankers holding back enemy forces. My example was a drone swarm deploying into an enemy rear area and sitting covertly awaiting on the ground, quietly, waiting for artillry fire and wiping it out. Not a battalion in regular thinking but a large number of anti-artillery capable drones drones scattered all over and underneath the artillery trajectory. Hell of a problem to counter and one that shuts down enemy artillery unless they are to die with one round out. Russian artillery is far more dangerous that their tanks, infantry, nukes and spez nasties. It is their entire shooting game (so to speak) and long range counter battery missiles are as vulnerable as the artillery they are designed to counter. The new long range rocket systems are likely to prove effective once - before they are destroyed in return. There are not going to be enough of them because they are too expensive and not enough isn't good enough. I doubt there to be anything more exciting than sitting in a field in the middle of nowhere waiting for a dozen T-72's to drive over you. It doesn't have to be like that.
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Jun 30, 2022 8:20:51 GMT
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Post by herosrest on Jun 30, 2022 8:20:51 GMT
The electronics required to do this stuff with a WaM - on board Cell phone.
That is - guidance, terrain awareness, flight control, mission profile and every and anything else.
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