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May 14, 2022 16:10:53 GMT
Post by quincannon on May 14, 2022 16:10:53 GMT
On the contrary HR. Logic says that Russian and NATO will not go to war, unless Russia wants an ass whipping they, and the world will never forget. My money is on Russia (i.e. Putin) trying to figure out how he can get out of the meat grinder he has already stuck his head into, and still stay in power in Russia. He made his own bed in this one, let him squirm around in it a little longer.
By God they can't even cross a river without losing a brigade and a bridge. How do you expect them to get themselves out of Ukraine much less invade a NATO country? No army can sustain the amount of casualties they are taking and remain an army for long. If the 27K KIA figure I heard yesterday is anywhere near true, you can figure that their total casualties (KIA, WIA, Captured, and MIA) are in the 75K range if the normal ratios hold.
What really pisses me off though are all the chicken hawks that are complaining about the cost of goods and services in the west. Don't they understand that there is a war on, and that war is for nothing less than the survival of democratic values? Those shit asses should be ashamed of themselves. Yes, I want this war they say. Teach Russia a good lesson, but don't let the price of bread and gas go up. Shit asses, every goddamned one of them
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May 16, 2022 12:50:27 GMT
Post by mac on May 16, 2022 12:50:27 GMT
I understand also that there is a good chance that Russia are running low on Ammo. Oh dear! Cheers
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May 16, 2022 14:13:56 GMT
Post by quincannon on May 16, 2022 14:13:56 GMT
Russia's problem Mac is that they ran low on brains.
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May 17, 2022 13:15:12 GMT
Post by mac on May 17, 2022 13:15:12 GMT
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May 27, 2022 14:14:44 GMT
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Post by herosrest on May 27, 2022 14:14:44 GMT
$1bn will employ 1.5 million people for a month, at a salary of $700.
Ukraine is capable of raising an army of one million troops.
Mind you, that didn't work too well in Afghanistan.
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May 27, 2022 14:33:20 GMT
Post by quincannon on May 27, 2022 14:33:20 GMT
Mass has a quality of its own, or so the old expression goes, but mass is not what is required for Ukraine. Quality is what is required, and while it seems the U's quality at this point far exceeds R quality, it still takes time to raise, arm, and train troops that possess the required quality to first continue the defense of Ukraine, then drive the Russians from Ukrainian soil, every last inch of it, including Crimea, while teaching the Russians a lesson they will never forget. It's not the dog in the fight HR, it's the fight in the dog that matters.
The Ukrainian Army and the Afghan Army, are like apples and oranges. The U's have a reason to fight, suffer,and die. The A's never did, because there was no one that I am aware of in the Afghan Army that could not look at the history of the last two thousand years, and not know what the eventual outcome would be, and who would be holding the bag.
I don't know if you are familiar with the Mickey Rooney/Judy Garland movies of the early 1940's HR. The plot was nearly the same in each of them. It dealt with teenagers who hung around together, and one day decided to "He kids let's put on a show". All of a sudden out of virtually nothing they would produce a show worthy of Broadway, or in your part of the world Albert Hall or Covent Garden. It was rubbish of course to think a bunch of pimple faced, pre-pubecent, juveniles could produce such a thing. It was a equal bit of tripe to think that the west could put on a democracy show in Afghanistan, or Iraq, when there was no theater (meaning the underpinnings required for democracy) in either Baghdad or Kabul. It was fantasy thinking, just like Mickey and Judy. These things only happen this way in the movies.
Trying to build democracy where there is no history of the rudimentry form of democracy is not unlike the reconstruction of the south after the civil war in many ways. In the south there was democracy of sorts where democracy meant "white" democracy. The economy though was built upon human bondage. That, and the fact that no one is immune from being resentfull after suffering catistrophic defeat, and near total destrucion of any meaninful form of infrastructure. There was a latent loyalty problem as well, caused in the main by those in the south who refused to accept defeat, and be grateful for the fact they were not hung from the nearest available tree. This was the so called "Lost Cause" still in vogue today, a hundred fifty seven years after Appomattox. To think that this could be mitigated by legislative action or even military occupation was another Mickey and Judy movie. It could not, and like democracy growing, change of attitude is a generational thing.
Some of our current troubles here in the States are the remaining left overs of reconstruction ( a misnomer if there ever was one), and some are caused by both domestic, and foreign sources , and the sheer stupidity of those in their audience that believe what those sources say. These things will not easily be solved by action, and cannot be solved by inaction. It is true that with each school or supermarket shooting, anger against these internal foes grow. but even that anger can be counterproductive if it is not mitigated by charity. That's the bad news. The good news is a generational shift away from what these idiots promulgate. Government alone will not solve these problems, but the grandchildren of these traitorous miscreants will. They will have nothing to do with the bias, and hatred of their grandparents, but the next hundred years will still be a very bumpy ride. Good will triumph over evil. It always does, just as the will of any given people will someday triumph over the oppressors in these foriegn nations we so concern ourselves about. That is the story of mankind.
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Post by herosrest on Jun 3, 2022 9:57:18 GMT
An enjoyable post QC, thank you. Kids are today doing exactly what Garland and Rooney 'dreamed, with the 'got talent' franchise. In the current series in UK, Britain's Got Talent, a number of young and child talents are showcased through audition, by public vote to performance and by knockout, to a slot on the national Royal Variety show. It's not my cup of tea usually but I am following the shows this year and.... ouch - Britains' got talent. The ME is a rat's nest politico-relious bubble gum blower's who were always best left alone. It is unfortunate that today, technology cannot move advanced economies beyond flooding barbaric ruthlessly ritualistic neaderthal nations continually at war, with the lucre that fuels their false prophecies. The West is entirely dumb to carry on this thirst for oil and gas and have been played like a fiddle by energy producers. Afghanistan should have been left high and dry - by that I mean flooded with its own produce of the poppy rather than allowed to export it. They should have reaped what they sow. It's down to money and that Country was flooded with it. That's over now. Russia will exhaust Ukraine. It's already happening www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61680382 with the economy in tatters. That should win the war for Russia, it being a political war. On the flip side, is the usual tension of politics over army - the way things are and particularly dictatorial nations states and federations.
If Ukraine can constitute effective offence then Russian occupancy of the Crimea and all points west is the most immense liability a warring nation has ever undertaken. A salient in spades. Likewise, Russia has developed a pocket of Ukrainian forces across the Donetsk-Izyum line and some very hard thinking must be going on in Kiev. I know where my ambitions would lie in command of U-Force. Retake Mariupol. Close the Sea of Azov to Russia. Game over. The British Commonwealth has a remarkable although not perfect record of leaving democracy in its wake. 54 nations and 2.3 billion people. Worth thinking about. I don't feel I should offer opinion on the South, however, Reconstruction was an immense financial disaster with M.A. Reno bullseye dead centre avoiding scandal and saving his skin. Putin is a Soviet dressed as rat gangster. 30 years to undermine European energy policy. He is a hater. Keep the lid down, ya never know when he'll pop out www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/swimming-rats-size-cats-sneaking-27096485
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Post by herosrest on Jun 4, 2022 4:54:33 GMT
QC A thinkpiece. 'Some of our current troubles.........' pale to insignificance on the horns of gun law failing to respect the right to life. At any given time 1 of every 10 people are mentally unstable. www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-school-shooting-victims-take-action-against-gunmaker-2022-06-03/It seems that pecuniary restraint may be the way forward. Victim families should by right be entitled to massive restitution from levy upon shareholders of weapons manufactured for domestic consumption. The shareholders of the businesses providing the means of insane execution are responsible for what happens and should be punitively responsible. Your child is shot and the shareholders of the gunmaker payup in spades and by the bucket-load. The weapons issue which exists is the behest of shareholders of the arms industry. U- Russia's strategy in Ukraine is economic to protect its hegemony over gas supplies into Europe 1. People in Ukraine need an income and work. I gave the numbers on employing a million soldiers which Ukraine could do with a population of some 40 million. That turns around their economy in the short term and provides the means to retake Crimea when armed, trained and capable. I say, FU*k PUTIN, evey day in every way - harder and harder and harder. Threaten him with the people who want to tear him limb from limb and stick him on a pole. It's a war driven by Russia's economic politics. 1 Russia could chose, and will have to now, to move its gas to Asian markets as Europe re-invents its energy supply. The failed prospects of COP26 have overnight been re-instituted although at a heavy cost increase in future energy prices. That was what was needed and has been delivered. One can assume it was not Putin's intention to faciltate an energy revolution in Europe but with that now guaranteed his pipelines are a stupidity. One which will impact Ukraine's economy by depriving it of transit fees for gas shipped across its lands. Russia is economically humbling Ukraine and that was my point in assessing the costs of 'funding' an enlarged army. People there need an income and work. I gave the numbers on employing a million soldiers which Ukraine could do with a population of some 40 million. That turns around their economy in the short term and provides the means to retake Crimea when armed, trained and capable. I say, FU*k PUTIN, evey day in every way - harder and harder and harder. Threaten him with the people who want to tear him limb from limb and stick him on a pole. A beautiful pole. It's a war driven by Russia's economic politics.
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Post by quincannon on Jun 4, 2022 16:18:19 GMT
Make the gun manufaturer's stock holders pay in spades, we have a law that curretly prevents that. They have special protection of law, which is a bad law and should be overturned, that no other industry in this country has.
The Second Ammedment has been interpreted as enshrining the right of gun ownership. It was never intended for that purpose. It was intended to regulate the militia in 1789. Regulation though is also inshrined in the Second Amendment. People should have the right to own a firearm. I cannot see where that right should extend though to weapons originally designed for the battlefield in the hands of anyone, much less those who use them for criminal purposes. There are those who will lie to you and say the AR-15 is not an assault rifle, rather a modification used for other purposes. The damage a round from and AR-15 does though makes it a weapon of war nonetheless. Change the law, but keep guarenteed rights in place.
If the rest is a think piece, I will comence to thinking about it.
Good post.
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Jun 4, 2022 20:06:31 GMT
Post by deadwoodgultch on Jun 4, 2022 20:06:31 GMT
Your wooden stock .30-06 will create a worse wound than the AR's you allude to. My Remington and BAR semi-autos will put lead down range as fast as an AR. A semi auto is not an assult weapon. The weapons/firearms allowed during the day the Constitution was written were in fact battlefield weapons.
Regards, Tom
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Jun 4, 2022 21:45:53 GMT
Post by quincannon on Jun 4, 2022 21:45:53 GMT
I no longer have an M1903A3. Donated it to where it belongs, the 4th Infantry Division Museum
Another half truth, and half truths are lies in disguise. The firearms of the Colonial period were not capable of firing in a semi automatic mode, so to compare them with modern battlefield weapons is just so much poop, You know that, and you also know better.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact Tom. None of the freedoms contained in the Bill of Right are absolute. You have freedom of speech, but not freedom to slander. You have freedom of religion, but are not permnitted to practice human sacrifice in the name of religion. You have freedom of assembly, but do not have the freedom to raise a lawless mob. And yes, you have the freedom to keep and bear arms, but do not have the freedom to own a machine gun or howitzer.
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Jun 5, 2022 0:02:30 GMT
Post by deadwoodgultch on Jun 5, 2022 0:02:30 GMT
Half truths, you never mentioned modern battlefield, in your post, however the muzzleloader was modern when the Constitution was written and used on the battlefield. AR's are not machine guns. This has nothing to do with religion, stick to the subject. Bluster does buy a win.
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Jun 5, 2022 1:51:52 GMT
Post by quincannon on Jun 5, 2022 1:51:52 GMT
The muzzel loader is not capable of semi automatic fire, nor will it accomodate a thirty round magazine.
The AR-15 is not an assault weapon. It is incapable of automatic fire without modification. To qualify as an assault rifle it must be capable of automatic fire. I don't suppose, you would appreciate the difference, and you can be damned sure anyone on the receiving end of rapid semi automatic fire would not either.
It is about speech, religion, and the right of peaceable assemble as well as all the other rights contained in the Bill of Rights. The point is that none of them are absolute. All of them have limitations, and the right to keep and bear arms has limitations as well, and some limitations, like the owenership of a machine gun, have already been placed on it, and withstood Constitutional muster. The words in the Second Amendment used to legislate those limitations on the machine gun, that have withstood that Constitutional test are "well regulated". Don't blame me, I did not compose the Bill of Rights. Perhaps you should ask James Madison.
Why don't you try and convince people in Uvalde, Texas, Buffalo, New York, or Tulsa, Oklahoma that everyone that wants one should be able to buy an AR15, or some similar weapon. While your at it why don't you make the case that every well dressed 18 year old assasin needs a full basic load of body armor? That would make an interesting argument on your part to parents of some yet unburied third grader. They would tear your sweet ass limb from limb.
Your arguments Tom are on the losing side of history. It may not be tomorrow, or next month, or next year, but eventually assault weapons, and high capacity magazines will be forbidden, just like the machine gun. If you and your fellow travelers were smart, you would get out in front of it, and compromise, while the opportunity for compromise is still available. Your window will close, and you may not like the house you are confined in.
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Jun 5, 2022 12:56:13 GMT
Post by deadwoodgultch on Jun 5, 2022 12:56:13 GMT
I said a muzzleloader was the Battlefield gun of the day, when the Constitution was written. The AR is not the battlefield gun of today. I am relatively sure you fired the M-16, as have I, I have even dusted with the M-60. We can't own them. In fact nobody can own a machine gun, unless licensed.
I am not arguing, you are, I have simply stated facts. I don't own a black gun, semi or full auto. When required to shoot one I scored well, again I never owned one, unless you take into account that we the people own all government property.
Regarding the argument, HR is probably correct about unstable people, I would hope that his percentage is somewhat high and I wish we, in this country, could contain them in California, Illinois, New York, and state's of that ilk. Alas that's impossible. We as a country do a pretty poor job in the area of mental health. This in my opinion ramped up in the late 1970's and 80's with the closure of many institutions and the dumping of many poor souls on to the streets. It's my understanding that John Hinckley is to be released. Sirhan Sirhan was released, recently, he should be dead, we should not have fed and housed him for over 60 years. A person who was involved in bombing the Capital in the 1980's should not be fund raising for Black Lives Matter, today.
I have few fellow travelers, I'm hard to be along with. I do, however, care about my fellow human beings, occasionally do nice deeds, and for the most part obey the laws of the land.
Lastly, I know you will hate this, guns don't kill people, people, do.
Regards, Tom
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Jun 5, 2022 13:26:08 GMT
Post by herosrest on Jun 5, 2022 13:26:08 GMT
No one, to date, managed effective legislation against insanity altough the Three Stooges commented the dilemma wonderfully. 6th Century efforts towards ordered behaviour and endeavour brought the bedrock of modernity - Gods handing tablets to 'chosen ones' infused with deitity. This revelation, happen chance flowered from lotus and poppy cultivating regions of the global trading network. Before this time and the dark ones to follow came the horde - How Kiev became Moscow (Putin's Lies). Lovely relief (Map)After Kursk
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