Who is this bloke?

[yanmacca]

Hi everyone, just a quick question for you all, who is "Chief John Grass" and why haven't we discussed his narrative of the battle?

Here is a short youtube clip which features this chief, please enjoy!!!

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[quincannon]

PLEASE. PLEASE DON't. MY HEART CONDITION AND GENERAL SHITTY DISPOSITION CANNOT TAKE TRIPE.

A BETTER QUESTION IS WHO IS THIS JACKASS?

YOU DO HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR IAN, A DEMENTED, DIABOLICAL, SENSE OF HUMOR.

Next thing you will be telling me is that Panzer Yellow is really green, and not to believe my lying eyes.

[yanmacca]

yeah it was kinda puddled!

You see what gets me about all this, is that we have this chief grass saying this, then we have four more saying that Custer saunted up the ford B and tried to cross, and they shot him, then we have JSIT saying that Custer never even went to ford B.

It comes to a point that we can find accounts from half a dozen Indians who fought at this battle and all have totally different stories about fight the same bunch of soldiers

[quincannon]

Yes, but if you move the ford north to D, then it all makes sense, unless you insist that Custer was shot at Ford D, which is double bushwa.

The one thing I find beneficial with what this miscreant is peddling is that second map of his, the one with the terrain raised 3 D. It shows Mike exactly what I was trying to relate to him verbally only just this morning in an off board message, about just how bad Ford B is as a place to attack.

It is painful for me when I see tripe like this, and look at how many views it has had, and how many people just take what this baboon is selling for the gospel truth. Why, for instance, would anyone believe that Custer being shot at Ford B would then be dragged (not ride mind you, he goes to great pains to point that out) to Last Stand Hill? The why is simple. He has to be dragged there because that is where he was found. Can't anyone do better than that? Custer if he received either one or both of those fatal wounds at any ford B or D, would be so much dead meat, and would have been found where he fell. One probably blew out his heart, and the other blew out his brains. All of these tripe peddlers have to fit in theory with what and where things were found, no matter how implausible those twisted tales of fiction become.

[yanmacca]

So the question is, who was chief John Grass, was he an internet fake made up by some jerk?

[azranger]

I think Tom knows something about him.

That video sucks I stopped it within 1 mine. It's fake news.

Regards

Steve

[yanmacca]

Thought so Steve!

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FWIW, here is what Wikopedia has to say about him, otherwise known as Charging Bear. Apparently he was Baptised Roman Catholic in 1867, when he was given the name John (?) and "Grass married three sisters, including Cecilia Walking Shield in a Lakota ceremony in 1867, and in 1894 he and Cecilia renewed their marriage vows in a Roman Catholic ceremony. Some sources say Grass had four children" which is decidedly, not a Roman Catholic tradition. YVMV


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Grass which says nothing meaningful about any actions he may have taken at the LBH, but apparently does have some notoriety of leading one of the last battles between native tribes/peoples. 

[deadwoodgultch]

I ignored this thread earlier, as the video is ridiculous and the limited knowledge of the respondents of the man and his actions. I addressed him and his family elsewhere on the board.

We spent the better part a day chasing family members at Standing Rock, while at the Bismarck conference. I do know that Charging Bear/Grass and Gall had more to do with prep for battle plan than given credit for. More than just defeating a non existant , non shared or communicated battle plan on the part of the whites on that day.

As a follow up, Charging Bear/John Grass was captured at Slim Butter, when American Horse was killed. Out of fear for his life he denied any management or any of this actions in the battle and later became an Army Scout. There is more, and Steve's. buddy Lance is following up as well.

Regards,
Tom

[azranger]

Thanks, Tom, for leading us on that research in ND. It was quite enjoyable, and I met an Indian with the most beautiful blue eyes that I have ever seen.

I think this year was not a bust rather a getting back to normality for most people. I think the NPS display at the battlefield went WOKE. Custer's uniform is gone, and the first narrative blames whites for everything. Even the store does not sell the soldier products that were popular with children of all ages. Also, at FAL, they are changing the name from Custer's house to the commanding officer's house. This fits with taking down the Custer statute. 

Regards

Steve

[yanmacca]

Hi Steve, Things like that can cause resentment among some, we had a spate of things like a few years ago, the younger generation started to deface and pull down statues of anyone who had a part in the slave trade, fair enough the slave trade was wrong and we have moved on from that, so to me it was bad history, but history.

The whites got all the blame for that too, as many of these slaves came from central Africa and were captured and delivered to the coastal towns by Arabs or other blacks, they then got paid for this, so in my view many other cultures were involved besides the whites.

A lot of British men who earned their wealth from this and other colonial things, spent a lot of cash on beautiful public buildings, hospitals, schools, universities and libraries in their local towns, some even built houses for the poor. The crazy thing is that many of these buildings are named after these men and students and the young have used them for their benefit for decades. Some of the kids who pulled down the statues, still use them, so what do we do?

Simply blotting out the past will hide it from future generations to learn from our wrongs, we must confront it, deal with it and stop it from happening all over again.

But sadly a new slave trade still exists, with human trafficking and people kidnapped and made to work for free, it is happening in Britain as we speak, people are locked away and forced to work as slaves to earn people money and all they get is a bed, a little food and locked up at night.
So, lets try and do away with what’s happening now on our own doorstep.

[Beth]

I am afraid that if places like LBH wish to remains relevant they have to be constantly change and learn to teach the past in a way relevant to today. I am sure that LBH was vastly different as society has changed. It's gone from a curiosity for Western tourist, through the "Cowboy and Indian" era though the 50's, and even a place of battlefield and cultural archology.

[herosrest]

This topic was a 'todo' item whose time arrived and ..................

John Grass was a tribal leader of some note involved with Custer and the politics of the Plains. A.B. Welch gathered quite a bit of data and reviewed notes gained by Angela Boleyn. It was neither wise nor prudent to replace a Sitting Bull with a Jumping Bull, or anyone independently minded and prone to proud finger. There is nothing cut and dried but you can betcha by thingumajiggie that Grass was in it at Greasy Grass right up to the last puff at the subsequent Medicine Council. It's interesting reading and spider's web of tentacles into much which can never be known or comprehended.

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I had intended furthering a look into McLaughlin and Standing Rock by ploughing Welch's notes link but concluded that Grass was simply a commander at heart and there was no nitty gritty battle sense to be  had. They came, we saw, we whooped their.....' Way he was. Derisory of Custer and quite an unyielding Sioux who considered himself important and his people prime. Little Bighorn was a means to different ends that all ended badly but the Sioux made their stand and that can never be taken from them. They had reached thier potential but could not stand aside and give up what was theirs. Some say it still is............   
Regards all. Howz it all going down at the lower fords? Hopefully they are very wet and not too fast flowing.

[herosrest]

JOHN GRASS’ OPINION OF GENERAL CUSTER, c.1915:

Question – What do you think of General Custer?

Answer by Grass – I have heard it said that he was a great man. Many white people have said so. But the white people always want to get ahead when they tell stories about anything or anyone. They lie many times. I heard that he was a great horse soldier in the big war about fifty years ago. I do not know. I never knew him doing any thing big. I was a scout under him once. I was the head of the scouts, but they would not do right as I wanted them to, so I quit being scout. I do not think that he was a great man. The Indians were not afraid of him. He was brave but he made a bad mistake for a head soldier to make. He battled without the correct knowledge of the enemy. He got killed. Since he died I have heard that he was a very great man. I never thought so. I do not think so now. We know many greater white men.

[herosrest]

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