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Feb 20, 2021 12:19:24 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2021 12:19:24 GMT
Hi Mike, I remember seeing a lot of those types of board games in the early 1980s, I recall El Alamein, Stalingrad and the bulge. Ian There are far more now. While the 70's/80's was considered to be the Golden Era, the wealth today may be platinum
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Feb 20, 2021 12:37:16 GMT
Post by quincannon on Feb 20, 2021 12:37:16 GMT
No< I see the compass points. It is the area on the other side of the river to the left of the compass points, where the map shows an irregular darker tan. That darker tan area represent higher terrain than that on the valley floor which is in a lighter tan.
Expect a M4A1 Sherman in today's mail by Rubicon. Let you know how I like it
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Feb 20, 2021 15:26:50 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2021 15:26:50 GMT
Some pieces are just strewn about Defending at Ford A, Note I brought the Gatling Guns. Defending to the left which QC likes, also with Gatlings.
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Feb 20, 2021 16:10:58 GMT
Post by quincannon on Feb 20, 2021 16:10:58 GMT
Mike: Do you have the McElfresh map? It is a reproduction that simulates the map of the period in question. If not, you should try to get one. McElfresh also does maps of most of the Civil War battlefields
Anyway on the McElfresh when you spread the map out full on your dining room table, the area in the lower right hand quadrant is the area that I really like for a combination defense/blocking position. McElfresh clearly indicates the high ground and you can easily see it because it is also marked pony herds at three places in that area. Two of those pieces of high ground are bisected by Otter Creek.
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Feb 20, 2021 16:47:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2021 16:47:19 GMT
I have the LBH map and the Gettysburg map. I must have some visual problem because I find them very difficult to read. But I found the area you are talking about. It does look good. I think the approach is less steep than it looks on that map, though.
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Feb 20, 2021 18:14:21 GMT
Post by quincannon on Feb 20, 2021 18:14:21 GMT
I find them difficult to read as well. I have the Pearl Harbor map, and it is damned near impossible.
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Feb 20, 2021 18:30:10 GMT
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Post by yanmacca on Feb 20, 2021 18:30:10 GMT
i get the McElfresh and the Bonified maps mixed up, I have both. Taking about maps, is the Godfrey map the only one which shows the old stage road? The version I have does not go as far as the river, so I can't see the crossing point near ford D.
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Feb 20, 2021 18:54:02 GMT
Post by quincannon on Feb 20, 2021 18:54:02 GMT
The Old Stage Road is marked on the McElfresh map Ian, but it is marked as "Practicable Trails". It forks just south of Ford D with the right fork going to Ford D and the left fork going completely off the map in the lower left hand corner. That fork and the trail going off the end of the map in the left corner is what leads me to believe there very well may have been another ford further north and west of Ford D, which I speculatively labeled Ford E. The river keeping winding along its entire course and I find it quite reasonable to assume there was another crossing place on that fork of the trail.
I think Mike is correct, that the place I pointed out to him, the high ground on the McElfresh marked pony herds (three times) and bisected by Otter Creek, the slopes are probably more gentle than what the map leads you to believe. I don't believe it matters all that much though. What does matter is that occupation and defense of that piece of ground means that you have reversed the dynamic of the battle, if the Indians choose to give battle. The cavalry now has the interior lines, and while Indian numbers could accomplish surrounding that terrain, the cavalry, using those interior lines could shift to any threatened point, and the Indians do not have that many numbers to mount an overwhelming assault force and at the same time keep the placed surrounded, maintaining pressure around the entire perimeter, while the assault force breaks into the position at their chosen point of attack. There is nothing wrong with being surrounded as long as you maintain good ground to maneuver on within your own perimeter. The Japanese destroyed an army corps trying to do that on surrounded Marines at Guadalcanal.
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