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Post by Beth on Jul 25, 2015 1:56:14 GMT
Thanks Tom!
I believe that the scriptwriters of the 90's miniseries "Son of Morningstar" have Custer saying it in a scene. I find that show amusing because it's so bad, especially the casting. It's easily available on youtube to anyone who hasn't seen it.
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Post by yanmacca on Jul 26, 2015 12:01:47 GMT
Dose anyone know were I can find a break down of the 7th cavalry at the Washita? I think Custer went with four battalions, I would like to find out who commanded each battalion, and if Major Elliot was commanding a battalion then why did he he leave his position as battalion Co and go chasing Indians with 20 troops, that would mean that he left his command in charge of this 2/Co, which I find rather reckless especially in a combat zone.
Yan.
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Post by dave on Jul 26, 2015 14:51:36 GMT
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Post by yanmacca on Jul 26, 2015 16:22:49 GMT
Thanks Dave, good work.
Yan.
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Post by royalwelsh on Jul 26, 2015 19:37:23 GMT
Thanks Tom! I believe that the scriptwriters of the 90's miniseries "Son of Morningstar" have Custer saying it in a scene. I find that show amusing because it's so bad, especially the casting. It's easily available on youtube to anyone who hasn't seen it. Beth,
Such have the efforts been that "Son of the Morning Star" is one of the better film efforts.....
RW
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Post by yanmacca on Jul 26, 2015 19:55:14 GMT
So Major Elliot was commanding a three company battalion at the Washita, what the hell was he doing taking off with 20 men after Indians, my god people call Benteen and Reno and Custer for that matter, this officer got his men killed when he should have been acting like a battalion commander.
Yan.
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Post by Beth on Jul 26, 2015 20:31:01 GMT
Thanks Tom! I believe that the scriptwriters of the 90's miniseries "Son of Morningstar" have Custer saying it in a scene. I find that show amusing because it's so bad, especially the casting. It's easily available on youtube to anyone who hasn't seen it. Beth,
Such have the efforts been that "Son of the Morning Star" is one of the better film efforts.....
RW
I think that may be because it was a miniseries, not a movie. In order to really 'do" LBH right you have to be able to tell the story from several viewpoints--at the minimum three--Custer, Reno and Benteen if you only want to tell it from the military perspective-four if you want to include the NA). It doesn't work in a 2 hour format you get with movies. Of course you could always do a multi movie thing like the Hobbit or Harry Potter.
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Post by Beth on Jul 26, 2015 20:36:55 GMT
So Major Elliot was commanding a three company battalion at the Washita, what the hell was he doing taking off with 20 men after Indians, my god people call Benteen and Reno and Custer for that matter, this officer got his men killed when he should have been acting like a battalion commander. Yan. At least it was only 20 and not the whole battalion. Perhaps it's one of the hazards of basing a promotion of bravery not competence?
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Post by yanmacca on Jul 27, 2015 8:57:14 GMT
Yes Beth, imagine if Elliot had survived and along with Reno were the 7th cavalry two Majors, I wonder were Custer would have used him in his battle formation, perhaps leading his own two Battalion group with Yates and Keogh serving as his Captains, and GAC in overall command, or if he disliked him put in Benteens shoes and used Benteen in an another role.
Yan.
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on Feb 10, 2016 17:19:11 GMT
So Major Elliot was commanding a three company battalion at the Washita, what the hell was he doing taking off with 20 men after Indians, my god people call Benteen and Reno and Custer for that matter, this officer got his men killed when he should have been acting like a battalion commander. Yan. Know this is an older thread but Ian I think the best answer is "precisely". I believe Elliott was grandstanding after battle, saw NA's running and decided to "pile on" in playground football parlance. Completely impromptu and irresponsible. Do not have details off top of my head but I do recall that Custer did order a search party cut short with the realization that large numbers of NA's were en route. This is one time Benteen's hatred likely did get the better of him. Whether Custer gave things a second thought and was more concerned with his glory, but Elliott went way off-script and got himself and 17 others slaughtered. Perhaps Custer and a cavalier attitude may have caused the after battle conflicts. Best, David
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Post by Beth on Feb 10, 2016 19:18:54 GMT
I personally believe that Custer mishandled the aftermath. He seems to have done nothing to mitigate everyone's misgivings and instead got defensive. Can you imagine if Custer had said. "I'm sorry you feel this was mishandled but at the time I felt we had no choice because..." Of course, it would be totally against his character and I'm not even sure if it is something a commanding officer could say.
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Post by dave on Feb 10, 2016 19:22:34 GMT
How would Custer react if it had been Tom instead of Elliott? Should he act like he did when Elliott was missing for the good and safety of the 7th? Regards Dave
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Post by Beth on Feb 10, 2016 19:55:16 GMT
I would be willing to bet Custer would have done everything in his power to recover his brother.
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Post by dave on Feb 10, 2016 22:07:09 GMT
Beth I agree which would put to a lie his after action report regarding Elliott's missing command. Remember how GAC acted when he was concerned about Libbie---due to illness or Weir take your pick---and rode hard to get to her side? As always Custer had double standards which drove Benteen crazy and confused everyone else. Custer also acted on the principle that what was good for him and to hell with others. He followed this maxim when ever he had the opportunity and freedom to act. Regards Dave
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on Feb 10, 2016 23:37:45 GMT
Beth I agree which would put to a lie his after action report regarding Elliott's missing command. Remember how GAC acted when he was concerned about Libbie---due to illness or Weir take your pick---and rode hard to get to her side? As always Custer had double standards which drove Benteen crazy and confused everyone else. Custer also acted on the principle that what was good for him and to hell with others. He followed this maxim when ever he had the opportunity and freedom to act. Regards Dave Agree wholeheartedly about Custer's double standards and glory hunting. What ifs are fun but reality dictated that Elliott went off on his own hook, effort was made to locate his command and 1-3000 NA's were headed toward a command of just over 500 troopers with 53 hostages. I am of the opinion that Custer's actions were prudent. Conjecture on if Tom had gone off half cocked makes for good conversation and little else. I understand as well that the Boy General's after battle report sang his and Tom's praises but minimal mention of others was justified as being unnecessary. Starting to look like Custer's after battle arrogance may have been a bigger issue than leaving Elliott? Best, David
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