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Post by yanmacca on Jun 5, 2017 18:15:12 GMT
Chuck, please, I do not dislike the Scots, its them who dislike us, there is a big difference there and you would have to actually live here to get it. Dark Cloud used to act like he knew all the facts about Scotland and its place in the UK, but he was wrong, but personally I felt aggrieved by his comments because he was so far off the mark and sounded brain washed in the same way the Irish Americans were when they funded the IRA.
I really enjoy visiting Scotland and Wales, we go Wales quite a lot actually and North Wales which is only 30 minutes drive from here, is like a miniature version of the Scottish highlands, but when you are drive back to England on the main route back to England, there is a foot bridge and painted on the facing you if where heading out of Wales is the words "English go home" having said that we will still go there.
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Post by quincannon on Jun 5, 2017 19:01:36 GMT
So what is the difference Ian.
Dark Cloud like John Brown before him lies moldering in his grave. If he was so far off the mark ignore the fact he ever walked the planet and move on. He has no relevance to today.
If that sign is there it says more about the people who put it there than you. The rivalry that has existed between England, Ireland, Scotland an Wales has existed for at least two thousand years. Don't you think it is time someone stood up and made a start at putting an end to it. Let that someone be you.
You can be either a tribalist, or a subject of the Queen. You cannot be both.
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Post by yanmacca on Jun 5, 2017 19:19:56 GMT
The difference is that we take all the sly digs and cop them sweet [like they say in Australia], you never see the English reacting in the same way, sort of like a mother would do to her kids tantrums.
We play Scotland this Saturday in a big football game [soccer], it is the qualifying rounds of the world cup and I can tell you now there will be fireworks on the pitch and in the stands, there always is when we meet, in any sport.
I will give my prediction and say that within the five years or so Scotland will have its independence and there would be nothing that myself or the Queen could do about it. The Welsh know which side there bread is buttered and will remain with us.
You know why Hadrian’s wall and Offa’s Dike were built, well it was to keep the Scots and Welsh at bay, you see this was where DC got it wrong, both the Scottish and the Welsh use to send raiding parties into England and these would attack small villages and farms, but this is all brushed under the carpet and it is only the attacks by the English [well Normans too] that are remembered. By the way I love our Queen.
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Post by quincannon on Jun 5, 2017 19:37:21 GMT
I don't care where DC got it wrong. The fact he was wrong is all that matters. He is frigging dead, and he can argue with the worms, but he is no longer relevant in your life.
There once was a sign at the Carolina border along I95, that said Welcome to Klan Country. Now if you were an ignorant piece of white trash shit, that made you feel right at home. On the other hand if you were Black or Asian, or Hispanic, or Jew, or Gay, or Muslim, or Catholic it was meant to intimidate you, conjuring up riders in the night. It was just like your - English Go Home - sign in that regard.
The human race is better than that, and the longer we let these things fester in any of our societies the worse off we will be collectively.
Hatred and ignorance are two things that must be obliterated from the human scene.
I am ever so glad you love the Queen, but I could care less if you did not like her personally. It is what the Queen represents that is to be loved, not especially her. Tribalism in any form is the enemy of the Crown. It is the enemy of the United Kingdom (the word united is there for a reason), It is the enemy of mankind itself.
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Post by Beth on Jun 5, 2017 19:50:44 GMT
So what is the difference Ian. Dark Cloud like John Brown before him lies moldering in his grave. If he was so far off the mark ignore the fact he ever walked the planet and move on. He has no relevance to today. If that sign is there it says more about the people who put it there than you. The rivalry that has existed between England, Ireland, Scotland an Wales has existed for at least two thousand years. Don't you think it is time someone stood up and made a start at putting an end to it. Let that someone be you. You can be either a tribalist, or a subject of the Queen. You cannot be both. I was going to ask pretty much ask nearly the same thing. It the current situation because of the long standing historic disagreements? A feeling of a lack of respect? A need for more autonomy? I am sure that it may be as hard for an outsider to understand as some of the divisions that exist in the US. QC the problems between Ireland and England go far beyond 200 years ago. It goes at least as far as Henry VIII when he tried to enforce Reformation and probably even further back to the Normans.
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Post by dave on Jun 5, 2017 20:42:06 GMT
In October of 1066 William the Bastard made life for Anglo-Saxon England turn upside down. Their lands were confiscated and their nobility were exiled or demoted to peasants by the Normans. But the Anglo-Saxons won out in the end that English was still the spoken language and the Anglo-Saxons absorbed the Normans into their society. The Norman influence on present English law is a very complex and interesting read. For example there are 3 distinct legal systems in Great Britain today: 1) English Law in England and Wales; 2) Scots Law for Scotland and; 3) Northern Ireland Law for the six counties. Regards Dave
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Post by quincannon on Jun 5, 2017 21:07:58 GMT
I know Beth that why I wrote two thousand.
And the English will absorb those that come to her shores now into English society just as they did the Normans. I was amazed at that concept just today. I watched the Mayor of London on TV, had I not know better I would have thought he was an Englishman who had spent two weeks or so on Miami Beach. It will take a century or three, but it will happen, and be the natural course of mankind's wandering the earth.
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Post by benteen on Jun 5, 2017 21:15:24 GMT
In October of 1066 William the Bastard made life for Anglo-Saxon England turn upside down. Their lands were confiscated and their nobility were exiled or demoted to peasants by the Normans. But the Anglo-Saxons won out in the end that English was still the spoken language and the Anglo-Saxons absorbed the Normans into their society. The Norman influence on present English law is a very complex and interesting read. For example there are 3 distinct legal systems in Great Britain today: 1) English Law in England and Wales; 2) Scots Law for Scotland and; 3) Northern Ireland Law for the six counties. Regards Dave Dave, That is very interesting. My concern would be jurisdiction problems between the different law enforcement agencies. Even friendly agencies like the FBI and the NY City Police Dept have had these types of problems. Can you shed any light on this. Be Well Dan
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Post by dave on Jun 5, 2017 21:37:56 GMT
Dan We will need to refer to Ian. Regards Dave
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Post by quincannon on Jun 5, 2017 22:42:55 GMT
I see no reason why any issue of jurisdiction should be different in the UK than it is here between one state and another.
The Constitution speaks to jurisdictional issues here between the Federal and state/city governments. Certain issues in the UK are actually much easier to determine jurisdiction on, than here in the States.
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Post by quincannon on Jun 5, 2017 22:44:39 GMT
Benteen if you wish to delete that double post, click on the circle in the top right hand corner of your post, then press delete.
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Post by yanmacca on Jun 6, 2017 11:36:44 GMT
Dan, the laws between the four are not all that different, they have their own courts and stuff, but they are pretty much the same.
The main difference is in the name, as England and Scotland are countries [because they have had kings and queens], Wales is a principality [because it has a Prince as its figurehead] and Northern Ireland is regarded as a Provence [which means it is run in an administrative way].
You then have places like the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands, which also have their own government and laws, especially as tax havens.
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Post by yanmacca on Jun 6, 2017 11:47:11 GMT
Dave; William the bastard; I love it He was one too, which made Crecy, Poitiers and Agincourt all the more sweeter.
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