dave
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Apr 6, 2017 15:10:50 GMT
Post by dave on Apr 6, 2017 15:10:50 GMT
One of my favorite all time movies is The Bridges at Toko-Ri and they flew Grumman F9F-2 Panthers against the North Koreans. As a kid, I remember thinking that a fighter pilot was the life for me! The US Navy was a little slow in adopting the swept wing concept but the Panthers were cool looking birds straight wings and all. Regards Dave
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Post by yanmacca on Apr 6, 2017 16:29:04 GMT
Who mentioned the Meteor yesterday, was it David? Well the RAF managed to get these things in the air about the same time as the ME 262, here is a good link; link
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Post by quincannon on Apr 6, 2017 17:08:29 GMT
One of my favorite movies as well. The F9F was actually the first operational jet fighter the Navy bought in any quantity. The FJ1 was actually the first in squadron service, and deployed aboard a carrier, but the Navy bought only a squadrons worth, and the Panther being a far superior aircraft soon replaced them.
The Panther was actually intended to be a multi role aircraft, and one of the reasons for the straight wings up until the dash 5 model was that it could carry a respectable bomb load. It was in fact the Navy's first jet fighter bomber. The dash 6 Cougar, with the swept wings was intended to compliment the Panthers as its air superiority/fleet defense aircraft, but ended up replacing them.
There was an article in National Geographic Magazine in 1953 with a full color presentation on the carriers and their aircraft off Korea. The photography was splendid, and it is well worth an internet search to find and view.
By the way Dave Oriskany portrayed the fictional Savo Island in Toko Ri. I think Essex portrayed herself in that one dockside scene that shows the two carriers docked at the same pier. I don't know if it was shot at Yokosuka or Sasebo though. I think the former.
I saw a Meteor under restoration at a small air museum in Orlando Florida about eighteen years ago. I was struck by how small an aircraft it was.
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Apr 6, 2017 20:08:26 GMT
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on Apr 6, 2017 20:08:26 GMT
Who mentioned the Meteor yesterday, was it David? Well the RAF managed to get these things in the air about the same time as the ME 262, here is a good link; linkI belive the 262 went active in April 1944 and the Meteor in July 1944.
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Apr 6, 2017 20:10:31 GMT
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on Apr 6, 2017 20:10:31 GMT
One of my favorite movies as well. The F9F was actually the first operational jet fighter the Navy bought in any quantity. The FJ1 was actually the first in squadron service, and deployed aboard a carrier, but the Navy bought only a squadrons worth, and the Panther being a far superior aircraft soon replaced them. The Panther was actually intended to be a multi role aircraft, and one of the reasons for the straight wings up until the dash 5 model was that it could carry a respectable bomb load. It was in fact the Navy's first jet fighter bomber. The dash 6 Cougar, with the swept wings was intended to compliment the Panthers as its air superiority/fleet defense aircraft, but ended up replacing them. There was an article in National Geographic Magazine in 1953 with a full color presentation on the carriers and their aircraft off Korea. The photography was splendid, and it is well worth an internet search to find and view. By the way Dave Oriskany portrayed the fictional Savo Island in Toko Ri. I think Essex portrayed herself in that one dockside scene that shows the two carriers docked at the same pier. I don't know if it was shot at Yokosuka or Sasebo though. I think the former. I saw a Meteor under restoration at a small air museum in Orlando Florida about eighteen years ago. I was struck by how small an aircraft it was. I got the same impression when I saw a Mig 15 at the Air Museum at Wright Paterson AFB near Dayton OH. Wasn't very high off the ground with that stubby landing gear either.
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Apr 6, 2017 20:34:19 GMT
Post by quincannon on Apr 6, 2017 20:34:19 GMT
Just after I moved here there was a huge air show at Petersen AFB for their 50th Anniversary. They had five or six Mustangs and all of the flyable P38's then in existence. The Mustang looked like a midget next to the 38. I suppose the impression we got of these aircraft when we were kids formed our lasting impression, which in some cases is not all that accurate. When I was 10 they were all giants.
The MIG15 I saw in Florida looked like a stubby little runt, and if you looked at it closely, as I did, you got the impression that it was assembled very haphazardly, by people just going through the motions and not taking pride in what they were doing.
We ought to have a most beautiful fighter contest here. I would be hard pressed to choose between the Mustang, Spitfire, or Corsair, but the P40 and Wildcat (despite it resembling a beer barrel) will still remain my very favorites. Among the jets, the Saber and Panther rank very high with me.
Must remember to ask Tom if they still have that Saber mounted at the gate of Warfield ANG Base.
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Apr 6, 2017 20:39:35 GMT
Post by benteen on Apr 6, 2017 20:39:35 GMT
Count the F4 Phantom as my favorite.
Be Well Dan
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Apr 6, 2017 22:20:59 GMT
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on Apr 6, 2017 22:20:59 GMT
WWII
Germany ME262 Japan A6M Zero USA P38 Lightning Britain Supermarine Spitfire
Korea
F86 Sabre
Vietnam Era
XB70 bomber. Huge, very cool looking aircraft.
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dave
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Apr 6, 2017 23:46:56 GMT
Post by dave on Apr 6, 2017 23:46:56 GMT
In Mobile, AL the Battleship Park has a very nice display of military aircraft from WW II, Korea, Nam and today's birds. The Mig 15 is not a pretty ship but very functional. The A 6 is another ugly aircraft that dwarfs the Mig and F 86 but was very successful.
It is very difficult to not select the Spitfire but I nominate the de Havilland DH.98 Mosquito, which is a beautiful plane with great attributes, as the best night fighter of the War. Regards Dave
I nominate the Brewster Buffalo as the ugliest plane to ever lift off from the ground.
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Apr 7, 2017 0:15:47 GMT
Post by quincannon on Apr 7, 2017 0:15:47 GMT
I am rarely speechless, but don't take that as I sign that I am in total disagreement with your sentiment Dave. The Buffalo must take second place though on the ugly list to the two fighters (can't recall their designations off hand) that were known as the Pogo fighters (vertical take off and landing on the tails much like Captain Video's space ship). They were ugly. Thankfully I believe there were only one of each, but the bastard who signed that contract ought to be shot.
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Post by dave on Apr 7, 2017 1:11:24 GMT
I remember one of them that had contra-rotating propellers and sat on its tail. It was not a pretty craft but ye gads the Buffalo was just plain coyote ugly. You know the kind of ugly when you wake up next to it you gnaw your arm off before anyone sees you with it. Regards Dave
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Apr 7, 2017 2:57:16 GMT
Post by dave on Apr 7, 2017 2:57:16 GMT
Anyone remember a old movie called Flat Top? It was about a carrier that was serving off Korea but with flashbacks to WW II. Regards Dave
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Apr 7, 2017 3:35:04 GMT
Post by quincannon on Apr 7, 2017 3:35:04 GMT
Worst edited movie I have ever seen with regard to aerial combat scenes. SB2C's are not Corsairs
Filmed aboard Princeton.
Good carrier movie was one from 43-44 called Wing And A Prayer, Filmed aboard Yorktown during her training period in the Pacific in 1943, and released in 44.
Another was Men Of The Fighting Lady, Korean era based on a true story that appeared in the Saturday Evening Post and another in Readers Digest by Michener. Filmed on Oriskany
I mentioned a good while ago Task Force, that really tells the story of carrier aviation from Langley up to 1949. Great scenes of Franklin's ordeal. Very decent presentation of Midway. Filmed on Antietam
Most realistic of course is The Fighting Lady which was a documentary, sort of, filmed again aboard Yorktown in 44.
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Apr 7, 2017 10:08:12 GMT
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Apr 7, 2017 11:05:36 GMT
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on Apr 7, 2017 11:05:36 GMT
I remember one of them that had contra-rotating propellers and sat on its tail. It was not a pretty craft but ye gads the Buffalo was just plain coyote ugly. You know the kind of ugly when you wake up next to it you gnaw your arm off before anyone sees you with it. Regards Dave All ugly team: WWII Germany. ME163 Japan, Val dive bomber USA, P39 Airacobra Britain, Fairey Swordfish torpedo plane Korea Mig 15 Vietnam Era A4D (later A4 Skyhawk)
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