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Post by Beth on Mar 13, 2016 9:04:21 GMT
Absolutely Dave, they can be a mix and probably are. The only thing that must be entered into it is that either the collective or separate action(s) must be either a rational action or reaction. An example of the irrational is the Captain Pretend pet theory that Custer left three companies behind and took two forward to look for a defensive position on low ground (mind you), and then diddled and fiddled until it was too late to call those three companies forward. A lunatic would find that an irrational justification for the final placement. The Costumed Kid suggested to me that they should have all taken refuge on Weir Point since it was high ground. For some reason I got a mental image of all those men, horses and mules wrapped around the taller part of WP that they looked like a living Christmas Tree and must have giggled over it for hours. If anyone is unfamilar with the living Christmas tree www.purchasefamilymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/livingchristmastree.jpg
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Post by mac on Mar 13, 2016 12:35:23 GMT
Should all the North to South posts have a thread of their own rather than here in Indian Tactics? Cheers
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Post by azranger on Mar 13, 2016 13:31:50 GMT
I think they should remain because there has to be a relationship in the flow of the soldiers to what the Indians did to cause the reactions.
With no Indians preventing cavalry crossing and no Indians crossing to engage Custer then Custer would have crossed the river and been on the same side as the Big Village.
Isn't it the key to understanding the flow to know what the Indians did?
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Post by yanmacca on Mar 13, 2016 14:08:05 GMT
Absolutely Dave, they can be a mix and probably are. The only thing that must be entered into it is that either the collective or separate action(s) must be either a rational action or reaction. An example of the irrational is the Captain Pretend pet theory that Custer left three companies behind and took two forward to look for a defensive position on low ground (mind you), and then diddled and fiddled until it was too late to call those three companies forward. A lunatic would find that an irrational justification for the final placement. The Costumed Kid suggested to me that they should have all taken refuge on Weir Point since it was high ground. For some reason I got a mental image of all those men, horses and mules wrapped around the taller part of WP that they looked like a living Christmas Tree and must have giggled over it for hours. If anyone is unfamilar with the living Christmas tree www.purchasefamilymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/livingchristmastree.jpgBeth that tree is the weirdest thing I have ever seen and will probably give me nightmares.
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Post by yanmacca on Mar 13, 2016 19:14:00 GMT
Absolutely Dave, they can be a mix and probably are. The only thing that must be entered into it is that either the collective or separate action(s) must be either a rational action or reaction. An example of the irrational is the Captain Pretend pet theory that Custer left three companies behind and took two forward to look for a defensive position on low ground (mind you), and then diddled and fiddled until it was too late to call those three companies forward. A lunatic would find that an irrational justification for the final placement. Chuck I remember him saying that and one of the reasons was that it was close to water, which would have been important if they had to hunker down and stay on the position. But the only source of water that I could see was the little big horn river and that would be blocked by hundreds of Indians, which rather makes it a pointless exercise.
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Post by dave on Mar 13, 2016 19:21:09 GMT
Yan Singing Christmas trees are very popular in Southern Baptist church's here in the South. Actually they are very pretty and provide beautiful renditions of Christmas Carols. Regards Dave
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Post by dave on Mar 13, 2016 19:25:27 GMT
Beth Ddi you ever see and or save Costume Lad/Costume Kid's famous post of how he left the ROTC program because they could not assure him he would assigned to Armored Cavalry after graduation. I wish I had saved it because it was awesome! He was the greatest ROTC cadet of his era and he explained it all so modestly. Regards Dave
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Post by quincannon on Mar 13, 2016 20:15:48 GMT
Ian: Dien Bien Phu and the Alamo were close to water, and I think we all remember how they both turned out. Captain Pretend would not know a good fighting position if he fell over one.
Dave: And I'll bet to this very day he wears his ROTC Medal on his 7th Cavalry jammies, when he goes to bed with his Comanche action figure to keep him company on those long scary nights.
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Post by yanmacca on Mar 13, 2016 20:20:33 GMT
That must be one of the most crazy theories that I have ever heard concerning the fate of the Custer group, but we have to realize that this came from the board which gave us arrow dodging horses and a cove called "Strange"
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Post by Beth on Mar 13, 2016 20:54:07 GMT
Yan Singing Christmas trees are very popular in Southern Baptist church's here in the South. Actually they are very pretty and provide beautiful renditions of Christmas Carols. Regards Dave Dave, I have to agree with Yan on this one--some of them can be very freaky looking. I think it is a proportion thing. When it's a small choir and you can see most of the person, it's kind of neat but when it's a huge choir and you only see heads and perhaps shoulders, it's just weird.
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Post by Beth on Mar 13, 2016 20:56:02 GMT
Beth Ddi you ever see and or save Costume Lad/Costume Kid's famous post of how he left the ROTC program because they could not assure him he would assigned to Armored Cavalry after graduation. I wish I had saved it because it was awesome! He was the greatest ROTC cadet of his era and he explained it all so modestly. Regards Dave I know the conversation well.
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Post by BrevetorCoffin on Mar 13, 2016 23:23:08 GMT
Absolutely Dave, they can be a mix and probably are. The only thing that must be entered into it is that either the collective or separate action(s) must be either a rational action or reaction. An example of the irrational is the Captain Pretend pet theory that Custer left three companies behind and took two forward to look for a defensive position on low ground (mind you), and then diddled and fiddled until it was too late to call those three companies forward. A lunatic would find that an irrational justification for the final placement. Chuck I remember him saying that and one of the reasons was that it was close to water, which would have been important if they had to hunker down and stay on the position. But the only source of water that I could see was the little big horn river and that would be blocked by hundreds of Indians, which rather makes it a pointless exercise. Part of this stems from his unwillingness (due to his mindset he cannot understand otherwise) to acknowledge that Custer might really have been "deaf, dumb & blind" after 3411 or at least whatever situational awareness he was capable of went into the tank. Have not read any of his derring-do from ROTC days.
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Post by dave on Mar 14, 2016 1:36:48 GMT
QC What in the world would make someone believe separating your command in the face of your enemy and when in fact with part of your command is in contact with the foe? All kidding side I fail to see plausible reason for Custer's actions after he left Reno. I am unaware of any poster on this board or the others who is a veteran approving Custer's dividing his command.
Would there have been any acceptable reason for subdividing your command as Custer did after 3411? Common sense would tell one it would be best keep your command together and concentrate your firepower, would it not? Regards Dave
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Post by quincannon on Mar 14, 2016 2:03:16 GMT
Captain Pretend is one of the world's rare individuals that thinks he is qualified to be an astronaut, the moment after he first successfully flies a paper airplane.
Can't tell you how much I laughed at his telling of his martial exploits, especially the part about sitting next to that Colonel at dinner and learning all about cavalry over rubber chicken, ice cream and a cookie.
Nothing at all generally wrong with dividing your whole on the march, as long as you have firm plans for and a pre-designated location to come together before battle. You spread your whole hand out to feel, but you bring it together before you punch. Custer broke the basic rules of common sense. You don't need to have a military background to determine that. The fact that Captain Pretend does not realize how bad Custer FUBARed tells you volumes about the fact that Captain Pretend does not have the ability to pick his nose, much less render military commentary.
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Post by dave on Mar 14, 2016 2:21:58 GMT
Succinct and too the point. I also enjoyed the story of meeting the colonel and being enthralled with conversation about horses and sabers and the smell of horse manure in the morning. Regards Dave
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