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Post by dave on Nov 11, 2015 17:01:57 GMT
Carl Glad to see you posting and welcome to this crazy discussion. How insane is it that one person can see themselves as the ultimate source of the LBH? A moderator is asserting his qualifications as a professional historian as compared to amatuers. To assert expertise merely from self teaching and learning is the privilege of any one and not a accredited title.
I have a BBA but that certainly does not make me a professional banker. What kinda of nitwit reads and believes his own press clippings?
Regards
Dave
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Post by yanmacca on Nov 11, 2015 17:08:46 GMT
Dave the phrase "a legend in his own mind" springs to my mind about yours truly.
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Post by Beth on Nov 11, 2015 17:18:05 GMT
Freedom of expression/speech has never existed on message boards Each board is governed by what the board owner(s) allow for discussion. Beyond that Proboard has a policy of what is and is not allowed for discussion on a message board. Think of a message board as a private club gathered in the party room of a local gathering place. The group has its rules of what and how things can be discussed set by the club leader. The leader of the club has the ability to ask members to modify their behaviour to fit the rules, if they aren't playing by his rules, or leave the club, The leader also has the ability that if he wants, he can change or alter any member's conversation, because it's his/her club and he/she makes the rules--that's a message board. A good club leader understands that moderating conversations in his club is something that should be used carefully, especially if he wants his club to be viewed as credible. The gathering place (Proboard) also has it's rules and if for any reason they no longer want to do business with the club, they are free to ask the club to depart--because the club president has signed a contract giving them that right. Say the meeting place is a popular family Pizzeria and they found out that a local Boylove club was holding it's monthly meeting. The pizzeria can tell the club to leave and the club would have no recourse but to leave because that it is the contract. It's all in those 'terms of agreement' that everyone check to agree to when they register on sites BTW Beth Beth that would work for the PM side of a board. There are limitations on the public view board where one can read for instance what dropin posted without being a member of the board. At one time Custerwest threatened a poster and that is crime in Arizona.
So if someone not a member copied a dropin post because they thought it was great then reviewed it again and it substantially changed there is no agreement to the terms of the board by a non-member.
Steve Threats are a whole different kettle of fish and can be handled by Proboard--especially if they are credible. As for nonmembers posting a message--that is a function the owner of the board can allow or disallow. Sometimes you just have to go on your gut reaction to something. I'm human and sometimes my first reaction might be "OMG don't do that!" but with thought I might feel I over reacted and need to readjust my thinking. Give me a day or two to think out a policy so you don't have to be blindsided if I give a kneejerk reaction.
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Post by dave on Nov 11, 2015 17:31:02 GMT
Beth Please take your time. You have handled all the details of setting up and running this board so please do not hesitate to use a wooden spoon on all these offenders, not counting me of course, since it would do them good. Regards Dave
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Post by Beth on Nov 11, 2015 17:34:19 GMT
Too early to tell, but mindsets may be replaced by Professional Historians versus Amateur Historians. Be on the alert for examples. I await with bated breath. I had seen a comment about a day or two ago and though 'surely he does NOT include himself as a professional historian because he taught a middle school history class.......
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Post by azranger on Nov 12, 2015 15:41:06 GMT
Too early to tell, but mindsets may be replaced by Professional Historians versus Amateur Historians. Be on the alert for examples. Anything that Rini can use against those that disagree with him would be a safe bet.
Regards Steve
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Post by azranger on Nov 12, 2015 15:43:48 GMT
Beth that would work for the PM side of a board. There are limitations on the public view board where one can read for instance what dropin posted without being a member of the board. At one time Custerwest threatened a poster and that is crime in Arizona.
So if someone not a member copied a dropin post because they thought it was great then reviewed it again and it substantially changed there is no agreement to the terms of the board by a non-member.
Steve Threats are a whole different kettle of fish and can be handled by Proboard--especially if they are credible. As for nonmembers posting a message--that is a function the owner of the board can allow or disallow. Sometimes you just have to go on your gut reaction to something. I'm human and sometimes my first reaction might be "OMG don't do that!" but with thought I might feel I over reacted and need to readjust my thinking. Give me a day or two to think out a policy so you don't have to be blindsided if I give a kneejerk reaction. There is Arizona statutes that cover threats and I don't think Proboards can take the same action that a deputy attorney general can take.
Regards Steve
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Post by azranger on Nov 12, 2015 15:48:47 GMT
13-2916. Use of an electronic communication to terrify, intimidate, threaten or harass; applicability; classification; definition
A. It is unlawful for any person, with intent to terrify, intimidate, threaten or harass a specific person or persons, to do any of the following:
1. Direct any obscene, lewd or profane language or suggest any lewd or lascivious act to the person in an electronic communication.
2. Threaten to inflict physical harm to any person or property in any electronic communication.
3. Otherwise disturb by repeated anonymous, unwanted or unsolicited electronic communications the peace, quiet or right of privacy of the person at the place where the communications were received.
B. Any offense committed by use of an electronic communication as set forth in this section is deemed to have been committed at either the place where the communications originated or at the place where the communications were received.
C. This section does not apply to constitutionally protected speech or activity or to any other activity authorized by law.
D. Any person who violates this section is guilty of a class 1 misdemeanor.
E. For the purposes of this section, "electronic communication" means a wire line, cable, wireless or cellular telephone call, a text message, an instant message or electronic mail.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Nov 12, 2015 17:58:06 GMT
Good to know, I hate handcuffs!
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Nov 12, 2015 17:59:17 GMT
If his perp walk was posted over there, would that constitute news or a threat? Or both?
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Nov 12, 2015 18:19:50 GMT
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Post by quincannon on Nov 12, 2015 18:31:34 GMT
Ill advised Tom.
This person is running away from who he is, 90 miles an hour down the dead end street of self destruction, with a solid stone gray wall at the end of that street. He is doing it so nicely by himself that I suspect he does not need any help from the rest of us.
The real battle will be in Rapid City, if he is not already removed from the picture by the scales of Justice. It can wait, and we can wait as long as it takes.
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Post by Beth on Nov 12, 2015 20:48:28 GMT
Threats are a whole different kettle of fish and can be handled by Proboard--especially if they are credible. As for nonmembers posting a message--that is a function the owner of the board can allow or disallow. Sometimes you just have to go on your gut reaction to something. I'm human and sometimes my first reaction might be "OMG don't do that!" but with thought I might feel I over reacted and need to readjust my thinking. Give me a day or two to think out a policy so you don't have to be blindsided if I give a kneejerk reaction. There is Arizona statutes that cover threats and I don't think Proboards can take the same action that a deputy attorney general can take.
Regards Steve
On that point I would never argue. My point was that Proboard takes credible threats more serious than the continued "This person isn't being fair." complaints they receive by the bucketload.
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Post by Beth on Nov 12, 2015 20:54:50 GMT
Ill advised Tom. This person is running away from who he is, 90 miles an hour down the dead end street of self destruction, with a solid stone gray wall at the end of that street. He is doing it so nicely by himself that I suspect he does not need any help from the rest of us. The real battle will be in Rapid City, if he is not already removed from the picture by the scales of Justice. It can wait, and we can wait as long as it takes. Is the ill advised comment about Rini or the monograph. I would hate to give it a thread only to find out there was a problem. It is the type of thing that should find a home here.
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Post by quincannon on Nov 12, 2015 21:05:02 GMT
Rini.
The monograph should find a home here regardless of universal agreement on its content.
Some of this mans comments I feel range from minor difference of opinion to dead wrong, but his thoughts and words should have a fair hearing, and this is the only place I know where he will get one.
He should also be encouraged to come here and if necessary defend his point of view.
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