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Post by miker on Feb 12, 2023 13:48:45 GMT
Where are you at the moment?
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Feb 13, 2023 10:05:45 GMT
Boca, Wednesday heading to Coco Beach/Melbourne, the later to see some friends in Jax.
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Post by miker on Feb 13, 2023 13:17:44 GMT
Um. I live on Merritt Island. You have to go over it to get to Cocoa Beach, unless, of course, you use A1A, but even then to get to I-95 from the beach, you need to go over the island.
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Post by azranger on Feb 13, 2023 15:17:48 GMT
That's my point. The markers are oral tradition, not proof, nor oral history. A cartridge found as a result of a latter day dig regardless of the purpose for that dig, becomes oral history (the fact it was found) but in itself does not tell a story. There may be a story, but we don't have a way of determining what the story is. Unless that cartridge could be matched to others known to have been fired by someone during the battle, it also could have been fired by someone earlier or later than the battle. You cannot go to a live fire training area anywhere in the Army. pick up a 5.56 round and state that it was fired during a live fire exercise on 10 February 1970 can you? No. What you can say is it is of the type round used by the Army from about 1970 to the present day. That is quite different than Charles MacDonald going into the Ardennes to the very position he personally occupied during the Battle of the Bulge, walking along his line to a foxhole occupied by one of his platoon leaders scraping the dirt a bit and finding 30 Cal rounds, and not only being able to determine when they were fired, but by whom. By the way he did that several times after he retired when he was leading tours of the Ardennes. One of them is recorded on film. Hi Chuck We live in an era where everyone has a camera. Most in their phone and they carry them most of the time. I am not sure that a NPS employee fits oral history but you may be right. Regards Steve
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Post by quincannon on Feb 13, 2023 17:08:11 GMT
I think it would be quite different if several NPS employees, or even people that lived in the area at the time had made comment, preferably written, on the existence and location of those markers. In this instance though, having only one with nothing to back it up in the way of records or photo evidence, still keeps it in the oral tradition I believe.
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Post by miker on Feb 13, 2023 18:24:35 GMT
Oral history fades into tradition when the person who witnessed the thing dies. If it's recorded in any way it is written. Until someone burns all the books and evidence, and then in becomes tradition, except maybe for quotes and footnotes.
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