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Post by deadwoodgultch on Feb 9, 2018 23:59:27 GMT
Obviously because he outfitted the 7th so well!
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Post by quincannon on Feb 10, 2018 0:21:31 GMT
You asked a legitimate question if Sturgis had a sugar daddy. I can't find one, and by the end of the ACW everyone of note that he graduated with were either dead or out of the Army. He was a division commander during three eastern campaigns, and I have never seen anything in my reading about those campaigns that would suggest that he was anything but a competent commander who did his duty well.
If you measure his performance by being beaten by Forest or Chief Joseph he certainly was not the first nor would he be the last. They were two of the best.
He was most likely on detached duty due to his age. He was fifty five in 1877 and not in good health, and had not been for some time. He was of the age when Army officers, except the most senior, are retired today.
SO - I see nothing in his record that would warrant the unsolicited opening remarks Dave made about him, that would reflect badly on his character.
Therefore they are nothing but southern trash talk because they lost the goddamned war. Does anyone understand how silly that kind of bull shit is nearly two centuries after the event. If you want to be treated like Colonel Darcy B. Magnolia, I am more than happy to accommodate. If not, frigging grow up and enter the frigging 21st Century.
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Post by yanmacca on Feb 10, 2018 14:07:42 GMT
How many ears did Davy Crockett have? I can't believe that no one has ever heard this one before and not even know the answer.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Feb 10, 2018 14:52:42 GMT
Does this include Mouseketeers or that wild front ear?
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Post by yanmacca on Feb 10, 2018 15:06:59 GMT
The second one.
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Post by Beth on Feb 11, 2018 23:42:36 GMT
Isn't it ironic that some Americans remember Sturgis because of the ACW, even less because of the postbellum Indian Wars. However the vast majority of modern Americans only recognize the name Sturgis as a place for a motorcycle rally. There may be a bit of irony there but I am unsure exactly what it is.
QC, I agree that Pearl Harbor was the beginning of modern USA but I could make arguments that WWI was the point we again started to think of ourselves as become one nation.
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Post by quincannon on Feb 12, 2018 0:38:10 GMT
I agree with you analysis with regards to World War I, almost completely. We had only fought two foreign wars prior to World War I. Both, except for the Philippines, were right next door, so they were foreign technically, but more like fighting on the doormat on your porch than fighting in the parking lot on the other side of town.
World War I found us militarily unprepared, but the preparedness surge over a period of a year and a half, was something to marvel at. World War I then placed in the back of our collective minds that we were a nation of great potential power on the world stage. World War II proved that we were more than potential, we were real, and could never turn back the clock.
That war also brought about social change, particularly in how we viewed women, and minorities. They were no longer power projection afterthoughts or also rans. Both groups proved without doubt that their services to the nation were essential and vital to both the economy and war waging.
Once you let Pandora out of that box you have kept her in for low those many centuries, there is no putting her back in the box again. That was the outcome, the game changer (God I hate that expression) of World War II, and our society has been having to deal with it ever since. Therefore if you want a Leave it to Beaver, Donna Reed, Ozzie and Harriet world you ain't going to get it in 2018, because the forces unleashed by World War II will eat your lunch.
Up to that time though, and in spite of World War I, we were still heavily influenced by the American Civil War. It was both a moment of triumph or moment of tragedy depending upon your perspective. You were either from the side who won, or the side that lost, and there was nothing as yet to say we have transcended victory or defeat, and have once again become one and from that point on indivisible, a new Nation with a renewed birth of freedom - this time for all.
So the message for all Americans should be simple - Get on the train or be left in its dust and smoke at the station. Everyone has a ticket to ride. It is your birthright, and no one can take it away from you
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Post by Beth on Feb 12, 2018 4:49:09 GMT
No QC, the birthright for freedom has not been granted to all equally, a large part of the population has been asking for an equal spot at the table only to be denied or infantilized.
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Post by quincannon on Feb 12, 2018 5:07:53 GMT
That's the rub isn't it Beth. The birthright is equality under the law. That is real. It is enshrined in our Constitution.
Those trying in vain to keep the train leaving the station, those who live in fear of their Ozzie and Harriet world view collapsing, are the ones who will in the end lose, just as those who try to inhibit the forward march of mankind always lose.
But these things do take time, and when the part of this generation cowering in fear of the bright promise of tomorrow pass away, their grandchildren will be inclined to piss on their graves and say what fools they were.
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Post by yanmacca on Apr 30, 2019 8:14:21 GMT
Just got rid of another stupid advert. Getting too regular now, I am seeing them quite often.
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Post by yanmacca on May 1, 2019 8:20:53 GMT
Another one bites the dust.
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Post by yanmacca on May 5, 2019 14:41:20 GMT
They are quite partial to this thread, I have just got rid of another.
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Post by herosrest on May 6, 2019 12:13:33 GMT
I agree with you analysis with regards to World War I, almost completely. We had only fought two foreign wars prior to World War I. Both, except for the Philippines, were right next door, so they were foreign technically, but more like fighting on the doormat on your porch than fighting in the parking lot on the other side of town. World War I found us militarily unprepared, but the preparedness surge over a period of a year and a half, was something to marvel at. World War I then placed in the back of our collective minds that we were a nation of great potential power on the world stage. World War II proved that we were more than potential, we were real, and could never turn back the clock. That war also brought about social change, particularly in how we viewed women, and minorities. They were no longer power projection afterthoughts or also rans. Both groups proved without doubt that their services to the nation were essential and vital to both the economy and war waging. Once you let Pandora out of that box you have kept her in for low those many centuries, there is no putting her back in the box again. That was the outcome, the game changer (God I hate that expression) of World War II, and our society has been having to deal with it ever since. Therefore if you want a Leave it to Beaver, Donna Reed, Ozzie and Harriet world you ain't going to get it in 2018, because the forces unleashed by World War II will eat your lunch. Up to that time though, and in spite of World War I, we were still heavily influenced by the American Civil War. It was both a moment of triumph or moment of tragedy depending upon your perspective. You were either from the side who won, or the side that lost, and there was nothing as yet to say we have transcended victory or defeat, and have once again become one and from that point on indivisible, a new Nation with a renewed birth of freedom - this time for all. So the message for all Americans should be simple - Get on the train or be left in its dust and smoke at the station. Everyone has a ticket to ride. It is your birthright, and no one can take it away from you Little Bighorn is a mirror. The Saxon influence remains significant in the UK, 1,000 years after capitilation to the Norman Vikings. They buthchered and starved hundreds of thousands up north to establish their power and influence. Then the religious oppression and war with Spain developed and then the wars of Empire. It's the real history. What we do to each other - good and bad. There have been very few conquerors who hand it back.
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Post by yanmacca on May 6, 2019 14:00:54 GMT
I have banned the guest user who keeps posting adds, hopefully it will be the end.
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