This Crap Needs to Stop

[deadwoodgultch]

We will probably never know if the unsecured sever had anything tapped or not, could have been, probably if the right people were trying. Could Russia have done it probably, and others if they knew about the soft spot. With regard to Nixon obstruction of justice. I would, like you would not want to see the Secretary do time. It is lesson to all who follow though, don't let your arrogance put you tit in a wringer.

On the other hand, such an oversight by you or I it would have brought about swift punishment. Then again we knew better, so should she, you think with your brain. If I had gone back to AZ and discussed my junket to Panama back in the day, my tit would have been that wringer.

This all started regarding leaks, was the Clinton issue brought to light via leak? Should not the investigation been conducted first. Was somebody thought to be an investigator or a good cop a wee bit mouthy. Should there have been closed hearings first? A certain portion of the population found her guilty the day it came out and another portion would/will call it a witch hunt to their graves.

[deadwoodgultch]

We will probably never know if the unsecured sever had anything tapped or not, could have been, probably if the right people were trying. Could Russia have done it probably, and others if they knew about the soft spot. With regard to Nixon obstruction of justice. I would, like you would not want to see the Secretary do time. It is lesson to all who follow though, don't let your arrogance put you tit in a wringer.

On the other hand, such an oversight by you or I it would have brought about swift punishment. Then again we knew better, so should she, you think with your brain. If I had gone back to AZ and discussed my junket to Panama back in the day, my tit would have been that wringer.

This all started regarding leaks, was the Clinton issue brought to light via leak? Should not the investigation been conducted first. Was somebody thought to be an investigator or a good cop a wee bit mouthy. Should there have been closed hearings first? A certain portion of the population found her guilty the day it came out and another portion would/will call it a witch hunt to their graves.

[quincannon]

Ninety Nine and nine tenths of the people who commit a security breach are not prosecuted Tom. The majority of the ones that are, are the ones who engage in espionage, as outlined by the Espionage Act of 1917, and the amendments to it that have occurred over time.

If you have ever failed to check the lock on your classified container, and not initialed the form appended to the front of that container you have mishandled classified documents under the provisions of appropriate regulations. If you have not established a proper chain of custody for your burn bag you have done the same.

I could go on and on with examples but most of this stuff is so routine it would bore you to death. Normally these things are handled by nothing more than a verbal reprimand.

The quickest cleanest way to deal with more severe cases of negligence is to withdraw a security clearance. Doing that in the military or government means that the clearing authority, the government itself, has lost trust in you. Your career, and effectively your life, is over from that moment.

My solution for the Clinton affair, either during her tenure, or afterwards, would have been to pull her clearance. PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION, I DON'T TRUST YOU. Her public life is over without all of the disrupting rhetoric, wringing of hands, choosing up sides for a food fight etc. etc.

The Clinton e-mail affair was an outgrowth of the Benghazi investigation.

If you had gone to AZ and discussed classified information back in the day, the chances are you could have faced censure up to the point where you career would have been in grave jeopardy, depending upon how much and what specifically you discussed. Don't know what you did. Don't want to know. I did know what my son did down in the same general area, but then again, I was in on it before he knew it was going to happen.

Now if you talked about what you did with me today or AZ, or Mary Lynn there would most likely not be an issue, because of automatic declassification or the passage of time.

I am still privy on the other hand to things that happened during my tenure that are to the best of my knowledge still classified, and which I am still prohibited from talking, writing or communicating in any way about.

Now for one and all: There is no crime or no moral wrong involved in just a leak to the press. If there is a crime involved it is on a separate plain, and very, very few leaks find themselves on that plain.

Watergate is the classic example of the morality of leaking to the press. The Assistant Director of the FBI was Deep Throat. He came to realize that those above him were so corrupt, that the normal wheels of justice could not turn. He faced the moral issue of where his loyalty lies, with a person(s) or to the country. At no time did he release information that was classified. To the best of my knowledge he never revealed anything uncovered during the course of the FBI investigation. What he did was continue over a two year period to steer Woodward in the right direction. Follow the Money is the famous take away from his actions. That man was a true patriot, who loved country, and put it higher than person or self.

Tom: You and I and the rest here live in a time of the accepting stupidity and evil as the normal state. We have 40 percent of our population that think assaulting a reporter is acceptable conduct. We live in an era when the unmasking of the sun in the morning, and the shining of the moon at night are labeled fake news. No one of the extreme right or extreme left lives in a world of the real anymore, and goddamn it, it is our own fault. No one else, OUR's

I mentioned Rise and Fall of the Third Reich to Dave the other day on the founder's thread, and for purpose, the purpose being to point out that Germany was a democracy, and Hitler was elected to power. He did not seize the reins of government, he was frigging elected in a democratic process. The point here is that Germany of that time was a weak and fledgling democracy, but all democracy, no matter how strong it may appear is fragile, and one strong breeze can topple it like the mightiest of oaks.

Now the message here is get out collective heads out of our asses, forget about Clinton, for she is as important as a fart in a windstorm, and focus on the present assault on our democracy at the hands of a foreign power, that was either facilitated by or stupidly ignored by the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.