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Post by deadwoodgultch on Oct 22, 2016 11:35:02 GMT
Some of these have been forgotten. Mostly about WWII, first and last may be the most telling.
Woodrow Wilson, shortly after WWI:
"It must be a peace without victory…Victory would mean peace forced upon the loser, a victor’s terms imposed upon the vanquished. It would be accepted in humiliation, under duress, at an intolerable sacrifice and would leave a sting, a resentment, a bitter memory upon which terms of peace would rest, not permanently, but only as upon quicksand. Only a peace between equals can last.”
Franklin Roosevelt:
"I say that the delivery of needed supplies to Britain is imperative. I say that this can be done; it must be done; and it will be done…"
George Patton:
"Maybe there are 5,000, maybe 10,000 Nazi bastards in their concrete foxholes before the Third Army. Now if Ike stops holding Monty’s hand and gives me some supplies, I’ll go through the Siegfried Line like shit through a goose."
Bernard Law Montgomery: on Germans complaining about their lot in life.
“The Germans should have thought of some of these things before they began the war, particularly before attacking the Russians.”
King George IV:
"Like so many of our people, we have now had a personal experience of German barbarity which only strengthens the resolution of all of us to fight through to final victory.”
Sir Winston Churchill:
“Good night, then – sleep to gather strength for the morning. For the morning will come. Brightly will it shine on the brave and true, kindly on all who suffer for the cause, glorious upon the tombs of heroes. Thus will shine the dawn.”
Air Marshall "Bomber" Harris:
“They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”
Rommel:
“The battle is going very heavily against us. We’re being crushed by the enemy weight. We are facing very difficult days, perhaps the most difficult that a man can undergo”
Joseph Goebbels:
“In 1933, a French premier ought to have said – and if I had been the French premier I would have said it: The new Reich chancellor is the man who wrote Mein Kampf, which says this and that. This man cannot be tolerated in our vicinity. Either he disappears or we march! But they didn’t do it.”
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Post by yanmacca on Oct 22, 2016 14:25:40 GMT
Captured German Officer near the end of WW2;
"One of our King Tigers could take five of your Shermans, but you always had six of them"
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Post by quincannon on Oct 22, 2016 15:34:44 GMT
Think that should be King George VI Tom.
Wilson was correct in his thinking for that time. Not sure that time has ever passed. Winning the peace is ten times more difficult that winning a war.
Not sure about it but the Churchill quote sounds like it came from the 1941 Christmas Tree lighting in DC. If so it is an extract from a larger statement that puts the quote in complete context.
" You may fire when ready Gridley, I am too busy puking my guts out from drinking too much Navy coffee last night" Commodore George Dewey. Manila Bay 1898.
I made the last part of that up imagining what he would have said that was consistent with his condition at the time.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Oct 22, 2016 17:30:05 GMT
You have the correct George, and I am sure he did not need an IV, at the time. I am obviously dyslexic.
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Post by yanmacca on Oct 22, 2016 18:51:43 GMT
That's the trouble with our Royal family, they seem to stick to the same group of names, but before the Normans invaders came and destroyed the place, we had some rather interesting Monarchs with rather strange sounding names;
Egbert Æthelwulf Æthelbald Æthelbert Æthelred Alfred, the Great Edward, the Elder Æthelstan Edmund, Magnificent Eadred Eadwig (Edwy), All-Fair Edgar, the Peaceable Edward, the Martyr Æthelred, the Unready Edmund, Ironside Svein, Forkbeard Canute, the Great Harald, Harefoot Hardicanute Edward, the Confessor Harold II William I, the Conqueror William II, Rufus Henry I, Beauclerc Stephen Empress Matilda Henry II, Curtmantle Richard I the Lionheart John, Lackland Henry III Edward I, Longshanks Edward II Edward III Richard II Henry IV, Bolingbroke Henry V Henry VI Edward IV Edward V Richard III, Crookback Henry VII, Tudor Henry VIII Edward VI Lady Jane Grey Mary I, Tudor Elizabeth I James I Charles I Oliver Cromwell Richard Cromwell Charles II James II William III, Mary II Anne George I George II George III George IV William IV Victoria Edward VII George V Edward VIII George VI Elizabeth II
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Oct 22, 2016 19:33:34 GMT
Thank you for filling the voids, Ian, I will pass this on to my wife!
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Post by Beth on Oct 23, 2016 0:45:55 GMT
Ian I am glad to see your list includes Lady Jane Grey. I have seen others that don't include her--I suspect she is just one of those people who has a hazy place in history that some people would prefer to forget.
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Post by yanmacca on Oct 23, 2016 10:01:34 GMT
Beth this was a series shown on the BBC a couple of years ago, and I think that you would love it (and Tom's wife too), it covers the stories of England's early Queens and how they fought for control, you will be surprised to find that some of the most bloodiest battles ever fought on English soil were fought around this period. I do hope they play over in the states, as don't work for some reason. One thing about these BBC programs is that they are well done and take you to the locations were these events actually occurred, they also have no padding and repeating of previous sections which blights many of the history channel programs. link
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Post by Beth on Oct 23, 2016 21:36:03 GMT
That link is unfortunately blocked here.
Speaking of series I don't know if watching Supersizers is something you are particularly interested in but not long ago I saw the one on the Wartime diet. I swear if Hitler had offered butter and beef instead of bullets and bombs, England might have crumbed. It totally cemented my appreciation for what a hardship those times were.
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Post by yanmacca on Oct 24, 2016 14:02:10 GMT
I watch all the supersizers Beth, Sue Perkings is a naturally funny person with a dark sense of humour, have you seen her in the great British bake off?
I am sorry that link wouldn't play as you would have enjoyed the series.
I saw the first episode in the new series on Sky 1 called the Exorcist, it is a new version of the old movie, and it is really creepy, don't watch it if you are easily freaked out.
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Post by Beth on Oct 24, 2016 17:30:02 GMT
I'm a big fan of the Great British Bake off and was sad to see neither Sue or Mel will continue to host when it goes to it's new network. I suspect it will also mean we won't be seeing it in the US anymore.
Speaking of new we did check out Dirk Gentley this weekend. It's very Doug Adams-ish. I suspect that it's going to have to take a few episodes before we decide if we like it or not.
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Post by dave on Oct 25, 2016 3:56:24 GMT
This thread has been very interesting and informative as like usual I have learned much. I must admit though it caused me to remember one of my favorite Abraham Lincoln quotes.
In January of 1848, Congressman Lincoln stood on the floor of the United States House of Representatives and delivered an impassioned speech regarding the decision by President Polk that the border of the Texas Republic was the Rio Grande and not the Nueces river as claimed by Mexico.
The whole purpose of my disjointed paragraph is that the quote below of Lincoln's was taken out of context by those who seek justification for the South's actions in resolving its membership in the Union. The decision of the eleven states to dissolve their membership in the United States is debated as strongly today as it was in 1861 and will continue to discussed in the future. I have no opinion on the legal issue but personally believe it was best for us as Americans for the South to capitulate against overwhelming odds as they did in 1865. Regards Dave
“Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right, a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world”
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Post by yanmacca on Oct 25, 2016 10:59:04 GMT
Beth, you will know Paul Hollywood in the GBBO, he is the one with the beard, listen to his accent and you we hear that he talks with a scouse accent, and that is what they talk like in Liverpool.
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Post by Beth on Oct 25, 2016 19:54:22 GMT
He has an accent? I am afraid have I never have gotten past those incredible blue eye and silver hair. I'll have to pay closer attention.
I know that the Liverpool accent is very unique, almost sing-songy. There is some guy who does a lot of documentaries on WWII on History Channel that had an accent that I instantly think of as being Beatle-ish. I looked him up and he was from University of Liverpool. I noticed it with one of the Spice girls when I heard her on some show but I couldn't tell you which Spice girl she was other than not Victoria Beckham.
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Post by yanmacca on Oct 25, 2016 20:57:45 GMT
That would be Mel C, who incidentally lived in Widnes.
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