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Post by quincannon on Aug 12, 2015 23:31:09 GMT
Beth: I think the truth of the matter is that this campaign was always going to be a chasing down of smaller groups and having Uncle Sam's will forced upon them.
Only the very naïve would think otherwise. Unfortunately Terry did not know better, and the most naïve of all was in command of his primary striking element.
Safety for the irregular fighter comes in dispersal, and his ability to move swiftly and independently.
Had Custer managed to achieve so measure of success at LBH, there would still be 1500 to 2000 warriors on the loose that would have to be dealt with, and I suspect not a lot in the way of Army resources would be coming to help. So what we see then is that a tactical Indian victory, gave them operational maneuver room, but in the end a strategic loss.
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Post by Beth on Aug 13, 2015 0:20:16 GMT
Native Americans were never going to win the battle in the end with or without Custer and LBH. You can't put the water back in the lake once the dam has bust. The military just had to keep them moving and limit their ability to build reserves for the winter. Unfortunately there were too many people like Sheridan and Sherman who could only see total destruction as the only possibly solution for the 'Indian problem."
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Post by quincannon on Aug 13, 2015 1:14:13 GMT
The Indian could and did win many a battle Beth. They were also capable of winning a campaign. What they could not do is win a war or stop westward progress.
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Post by Beth on Aug 13, 2015 1:30:48 GMT
The Indian could and did win many a battle Beth. They were also capable of winning a campaign. What they could not do is win a war or stop westward progress. I agree 100%. The die was probably cast when the first white settler came ashore. European settlers were sort of the fire ants of the human race.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Aug 13, 2015 12:30:40 GMT
Montrose I can certainly relate to your experience " I spent this past weekend researching two battle sites from King Philip's war. This research included my walking through swamps, and I fell face first into a 5 foot deep pool of muck ."
I would hate to have these few words of mine fall under Deadwood's gaze since he respects me so much. Many is the time, while duck hunting, I waded into cypress sloughs and fell into the mud and muck face first in the frigid waters. Of course it was a coincidence that I had been nipping at a little bit of peppermint schnapps each time I fell. I blamed it on them dam old beaver runs how else would I have fallen. In all seriousness, I am pleased that you were feeling well enough to be out promenading in the swamps. Regards Dave The schnapps was obviously Reno hero worship.
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Post by dave on Aug 13, 2015 13:17:08 GMT
Deadwood Ever been duck hunting with temps hoovering around 10 degrees with a hole in your waders? If so, peppermint schnapps is the best treatment. It will literally mend the hole or you will not care. Makes it easier on the ducks as well. Regards David
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Aug 13, 2015 14:22:58 GMT
I don't buy boots at Kmart!
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Post by dave on Aug 13, 2015 19:51:29 GMT
Obviously you are that multimillionaire that shops at Cabellas. I top out at the local Wal Mart and get to see everyone in town and buy me some new PVC Chest Waders. As my friend James Clark says, them neosporin (no typo) waders is expensive. We Southern boys are right smart about getting good deals. We always have plenty of bread wrappers to use for the damn leaks you get in your waders just after you set out your decoys. Know what I mean? Regards Dave
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Post by Beth on Aug 13, 2015 21:07:17 GMT
Bread wrapper i.e. bread bag are also very handy emergency winter boots in Iowa. They will also double as dress shoe carrying devices when you are at home when the blizzard starts and have access to your boots (though a savvy midwestern would know to keep a second pair of boots in their trunk)
I tell you people waste so much money on one use items like waders and boots when bread bags and duct tape can solve nearly any problem.
And yes, I have thrown a roll of duct tape into Sam's 'going to college' pile so she is ready for almost anything life can throw her. Probably should put it in a pair of bread bags as well.
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Post by dave on Aug 13, 2015 21:22:35 GMT
Beth Get her a can of WD 40 or a spray can of cooking oil like Pam, works great on squeaking dorm doors. A couple of screw drivers, flat head and phillips and a pair of pliers. Regards Dave
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Post by Beth on Aug 13, 2015 22:00:47 GMT
She has all of the above in her tool kit except for the WD 40--plus her own power drill. She's going to be very popular on campus.
Plus she can actually even cook. I have raised my girls to be well rounded.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Aug 14, 2015 11:42:43 GMT
I am glad I helped to spawn such scintillating discussion on Slim Buttes, or should I say Slim Boots.
Regards, Tom
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