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Post by quincannon on Mar 11, 2016 3:52:29 GMT
Not significantly Tom. The loop that contains most of the commercial part of River Walk is pretty close as can be seen on the before and after maps in Beth's article. That straight channel to the left is a flood control measure, and the gates are well disguised. That little tail over to River Center, most of which used to be Joske's Department Store, is a post Chuckie's first visit. 1970's I think at the same time of Hemisfair. Upriver to the north there has been a fair amount of channel change, but little if any effect the story.
Two river connected features that do effect the story are the Commerce Street Bridge leading from Old Bexar on the west side of the river to the Alameda which was a tree covered portion of what became Commerce Street that touches the south end of River Center, and a ford down in the La Villita area. Both those crossing areas figure into the siege tale.
I mentioned the Garza Sugar Mill the other day. It is not shown on the article map, but it would be just off the top west of the river.
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Mar 11, 2016 10:08:12 GMT
According to Beth's article the river would have been at a lower flow during the siege and battle. I wonder how things may have been affected at peak flow, say May-June or September-October. Probably very little.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 11, 2016 16:20:42 GMT
Well the bridge was in place on what became Commerce Street, same place where a bridge is now, and the vanguard force contained Zapadores, so I don't think there would have been any, unless the river rose to flood stage.
Remember that River Walk is nothing more than a gussied up flood control project, so floods in what became downtown SA were a big deal.
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Post by dave on Mar 13, 2016 20:01:57 GMT
QC I had asked earlier what is the situation regarding who is in charge of the Shrine since the Daughters of the Republic of Texas are no longer in charge of the facility and will it improve the maintenance of the facility?
I am sure all the turmoil has not be of benefit to the Alamo and has any damage been incurred from this squabble? Regards Dave
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Post by yanmacca on Mar 13, 2016 20:23:58 GMT
Watched the 2005 version of the Alamo last night, I have seen it a couple of times before and the Line were Crockett say "I'm a screamer" still makes me smile.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 16, 2016 16:13:00 GMT
Dave: I don't keep up with Alamo politics, but that said, the best place for the Alamo to be in my estimation is in the hands of the State of Texas. If they were smart there would be fenced money in their yearly budget, on a sliding scale for inflation, and put there by law, not yearly legislation, that would preserve and operate the Alamo for generations yet to come, as long as there is a Texas. There should also be a small admission charged to help offset the taxpayer cost. This is what we do at many of our national parks, and by small I mean on the order of 50 cents per adult, kids under sixteen free.
Ian: That is probably the most accurate, but most accurate does not mean accuracy to biblical porportions. Thornton was by far the best portrayal of Crockett.
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Post by Beth on Mar 16, 2016 21:50:08 GMT
QC you're talking about Texas politics. Do you really think that they would do something that would be sensible? link
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Post by quincannon on Mar 17, 2016 4:33:01 GMT
Beth: I am one of a dying breed of folks that believe governments should work for the people they serve.
The fact that the State of Texas stepped in and took the initial steps to clean up that rat's nest is positive.
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Post by dave on Mar 17, 2016 4:44:39 GMT
I am very curious about what the repercussions were if any from the DRT being removed from responsibility for the Alamo. Reason why I ask is back in the 1980's many of the good ole boys in the state legislature got the bright idea to close the Mississippi Women's University and consolidate it with Mississippi State University about 20 miles away. Mysteriously the proposed legislation died very quickly after the story was picked up by the newspapers.
It seems some genius soon found out how much sway, and I mean sway, the alumni of the "W" held in households across the state. The ladies were able to gather enough political clout to ensure their Alma Mater's future.
So did the DRT not have the same talents as the Mississippi ladies to gain back control of the Shrine? Regards Dave
Beth quit laughing and making fun of us!
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Post by quincannon on Mar 17, 2016 4:59:12 GMT
Dave: The DRT from the days of Driscoll and Zavala have never been seriously challenged. The intimidation factor held sway for over a century. Like many organizations of their type though the rot grew from within to the point where scandals seem to come one after the other. They were feathering their own nest as a quasi-political force at the expense of their supposed mission, to preserve and protect a world treasure.
The only possible legitimate claim they may have is the ownership of the vast library of material they have collected, and that occupies a building on the grounds. The place need a complete restoration if it is to be viable in the future, and part of that urgent need was brought on by their neglect.
Kick the bums out, but do it in such a way that the Alamo grows stronger, and that can only be done with enlightened legislation, and dedicated management.
It is too important to the telling of the American story to be left in the hands of that bunch of back stabbing blue hairs
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Mar 17, 2016 11:13:14 GMT
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Mar 17, 2016 11:17:13 GMT
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Post by mac on Mar 18, 2016 11:09:23 GMT
Thanks Tom! I am starting to want to visit the Alamo....aargh! Cheers
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Mar 18, 2016 11:37:46 GMT
Mac,
I just stuck the newspaper articles in my previous post edit. I did not realize it did not take the first time!
If you go, con the old f@rt, from Colorado Springs, to go along as a guide.
Regards, Tom
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Post by quincannon on Mar 18, 2016 16:17:59 GMT
There will not be any conning necessary. A good dinner at Mi Terra will suffice. I have not be serenaded by the strains of Sin Ti, Adelita, and Reito de Luna for a long time.
Best time is the month of April during Fiesta San Jacinto. Weather is good, and during Fiesta you will get a feeling for what I believe is the most exciting and most cosmopolitan city in the United States. You will enjoy the other four missions especially San Jose, and we would really need to take a trip into the hill country to Fredericksburg and the Nimitz.
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