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Post by quincannon on Feb 2, 2016 17:40:18 GMT
Frank thanks a James Sawruk for piecing the Avenger ditching story together.
Hammel is in the subs corner, I think, but I believe he could be convinced otherwise if a strong argument was made.
The bone of contention seems to revolve around sailors sighting two or three wakes in the water, some saw two, others three. Two or three would eliminate the Avenger theory.
Jodak dives deep in these things than I. I trust his judgment.
The Prewar rig Porters were always favorites of mine. Classy looking ships. They never got real ugly during the war, but they did lose that prewar luster.
Expect a 1/350 Kagero in the mail in a day or two. I will do her as Amatsukaze , Hara's ("Japanese Destroyer Captain")ship. Started to do it before with a conversion of Yukakaze, but the model of Yukakaze was so late (1945) that it proved impractical to convert. Kagero is in the rig 39-42 so a Amatsukaze from her ought to be simple.
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Post by dave on Feb 2, 2016 23:06:57 GMT
QC jodak has made some really interesting posts on the other board in the Pearl Harbor Countdown thread. Admiral Richardson who prior to Pearl Harbor predicted the attack, the length of the War and requirements to defeat the Japanese. Excellent material for study. Regards Dave
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Post by quincannon on Feb 3, 2016 0:40:46 GMT
I have been following that thread Dave. Wish he would bring that material over here.
Some years ago the Naval Institute collected all of their Pearl Harbor pertinent articles, previously published in Proceedings, and put them out in book form entitled "Air Raid Pearl Harbor". You would find in interesting.
One of the articles is by Genda, and he states categorically that Taranto did not influence their thinking at all. that's hard to buy, but I have always found Commander (later General) Genda an honest broker. Also, and I forget where I read it, either Genda or Fuchida credited the genesis of the PH raid as being Sara's raid on Panama.
Richardson is a case where military prudence runs afoul of political signal sending. Don't particularly agree that prior to 1941 PH was a backwater naval base. It was the essential base to execute War Plan Orange. The Navy put a lot of scarce money in there in the 1930's upgrading the place to support the fleet in wartime. You can't judge the overall importance of the place by how many ships are home ported there. The fleet was in and out of PH more times than they were all gathered together at San Diego from the late 1920's on.
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Post by dave on Feb 3, 2016 1:09:38 GMT
QC Are you referring to the book by Paul Stillwell or by Theodore Taylor? I also wish jodak would share his posts with this board as he is a scholar of the period dealing with both countries navies. Regards Dave
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Post by quincannon on Feb 3, 2016 1:31:54 GMT
Stillwell edited it. Stillwell's Arizona book is a real winner too, but it has been out of print for some time, and I have seen copies advertised for a grand or so. I have mine, and I am planning to supplement my retirement income if the price goes any higher.
I don't know why he doesn't. I think his audience here would be more attuned to the subject matter. Seems over there that it is almost a two way conversation between you and him. I always enjoyed his work.
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Post by dave on Feb 3, 2016 2:05:14 GMT
QC Thank you for the clarification as I have ordered the book and look forward to reading it along with all the others I have in hand. What a job but I'll not cry.
I have learned so much from jodak and hope to learn more. Maybe he will give us a look and join in. Regards Dave
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Post by Beth on Feb 3, 2016 3:39:52 GMT
I would welcome his input on this forum as well.
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Post by yanmacca on Feb 3, 2016 10:06:18 GMT
I think it would help if he knew we actually existed, as we are treated with less respect then the Keogh board, at least they get freely spoken about, I think our name gets whispered in dark corners as if we are the sibling that on one want anyone to see.
Sad really as we know over 80% of the members on both boards but they seem to act as if we are tarnished.
Yan.
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Post by quincannon on Feb 3, 2016 16:14:53 GMT
No board is treated with less respect than the Keogh Board, and for the sake of the LBHA that is a shame.
Respect is an earned commodity. We cannot demand respect. We must earn it by our actions and the content of the material posted, along with the attitude of those doing the posting.
So far we are doing just fine. Reflect upon the tortoise and the hare. Slow and steady, maintaining a true course will get us to the place we wish to go.
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Post by dave on Feb 3, 2016 19:38:02 GMT
Matt Very astute comment regarding the Lunatics and Liar board---montrose's line not mine---where personalities attempt to shape and mold all conversations. The mind set concept has offended and alienated many fine people who are so vital for intelligent and cogent posts. I am pleased you have chosen to post on this board. Regards Dave
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Post by Beth on Feb 3, 2016 21:13:50 GMT
Matt how did you find this board? Google? Word of mouth? Posting someplace else?
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Post by dave on Feb 4, 2016 1:06:42 GMT
I can promise you we are a lot of things but dull we ain't. Regards Dave
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Post by Beth on Feb 4, 2016 1:12:02 GMT
Thanks Matt. I'm glad you found us. I love having a wide variety of views, especially when they can be discussed without rancor--or at least much rancor.
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Post by dave on Jul 26, 2017 17:41:12 GMT
Just got back from a 2 day road trip with my 13 year old grandson who is a big WW II fan. Sunday we saw the movie Dunkirk, which I recommend. He spent the night, we sat up till 11:30 pm asking and answering questions as best as I could. Got up at 7 am to leave at 8 for a 5 hour drive to Mobile, AL to see the battleship USS Alabama and the submarine USS Drum. Finally got him up at 9 and left the house at 10.
Spent 3 hours touring both ships and I mean touring. I climbed through everyone of the compartments through the very small hatches. At 6' 2" and 270 lbs I do not fit through small hatches! We climbed out if the Drum and went on to the Alabama and went through the whole tour of descending 2 decks and touring the whole ship front to back. Then we had only the superstructure left to tour. I sent him to call all 6 decks to the top lockout spot where the search light was. I was pooped. Drove an hour and a half to Slidell LA to spend the night. Next day we hit the WW II Museum.
Words just can not describe how moving and fascinating this facility is. Met a WW II naval veteran, 97 years old who served on the USS Essex as a fireman 3rd. The opening movie, narrated by Tom Hanks, just whets one's appetite and you will not be disappointed. All theaters of the American operations, land, air and sea are covered. With exhibits of planes, small arms, ammunition, uniforms and supplies of all combatants.
If you ever have the opportunity to see and visit the WW II museum please take the time and treat yourself. Having your 13 year old grandson with you is priceless! Regards Dave
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Post by mlynn on Jul 26, 2017 21:41:30 GMT
Just got back from a 2 day rode trip with my 13 year old grandson who is a big WW II fan. Sunday we saw the movie Dunkirk, which I recommend. He spent the night, we sat up till 11:30 pm asking and answering questions as best as I could. Got up at 7 am to leave at 8 for a 5 hour drive to Mobile, AL to see the battleship USS Alabama and the submarine USS Drum. Finally got him up at 9 and left the house at 10. Spent 3 hours touring both ships and I mean touring. I climbed through everyone of the compartments through the very small hatches. At 6' 2" and 270 lbs I do not fit through small hatches! We climbed out if the Drum and went on to the Alabama and went through the whole tour of descending 2 decks and touring the whole ship front to back. Then we had only the superstructure left to tour. I sent him to call all 6 decks to the top lockout spot where the search light was. I was pooped. Drove an hour and a half to Slidell LA to spend the night. Next day we hit the WW II Museum. Words just can not describe how moving and fascinating this facility is. Met a WW II naval veteran, 97 years old who served on the USS Essex as a fireman 3rd. The opening movie, narrated by Tom Hanks, just whets one's appetite and you will not be disappointed. All theaters of the American operations, land, air and sea are covered. With exhibits of planes, small arms, ammunition, uniforms and supplies of all combatants. If you ever have the opportunity to see and visit the WW II museum please take the time and treat yourself. Having your 13 year old grandson with you is priceless! RegardsDave Wow, I go through there all the time when I go to Florida. I will be going in Jan. again. Maybe I will stop and go to the museum.
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