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Oct 12, 2015 14:08:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2015 14:08:22 GMT
I am having issues on discussing ethics and posting.
I believe there is a general understanding of fair play on forums. We generally agree, in an unwritten contract, t tell the truth as best as we can and treat other participants with dignity and respect.
But what do you do if you have participants who lie? What if they knowingly take testimony and not just delete the parts that prove they are liars, but add things that are not in the account? What if they cite secondary accounts that are complete fabrications?
And then the painful part: what if they are career criminals with a criminal record also involving extensive lies? What if their justification for non consensual sexual acts with 12 year olds was that they were trying to replicate their own vision of discipline in the 1876 Army? If someone's twisted views on this battle causes them to become a degenerate criminal, why do the rest of us support this person?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZj7KV1ks88
I have been insulted and abused by the Custer fanatics. My problem is I try to discuss facts, not emotion. But the fanboys use slander, libel, lies to support their views.
How do we get the discussion back to empiricism, rational discussions. The criminally insane dominate these boards. When will folks who are sane respond?
Respectfully,
WIlliam
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Oct 12, 2015 18:43:22 GMT
Post by Beth on Oct 12, 2015 18:43:22 GMT
William though I don't know you personally, I do know based on your posts that you are an honorable person, who treats people with respect and expects everyone to operate under the same principles. You are a smart, well informed contributor who always posts well thought out messages which I personally welcome. I find them insightful and always learn something new. As a board owner, I would welcome any poster who brings as much to the topic of conversation as you do. You are an asset on both this board and Diane's and if allowed, would bring a that same high level of integrity and conversation to any other board you chose to take part in. Unfortunately there are some people who are unable to to operate under even the most basic rules one needs to live in society. They do not understand that debating a subject does not give them the right to make personal attacks or to view disagreements as personal affronts. They are unable to separate their self worth from their opinions and therefore view any attack on their opinions as a personal attack. They are not interested in either learning or sharing information. They are looking for someone to affirm their views and with it prop up their own self worth. They can find being called to produce support for their theories so threatening that they feel justified to tamper with the evidence by posting creatively edited 'historic testimony and documents. It is intellectually dishonest and if they are editing copy protected work may be illegal. Taking part in discussions on any message board should be a positive part of your life--something you enjoy and perhaps learn from, not something that causes you stress. Life is just too short put up with something that causes you grief. I would recommend that you just consider that site 'the site of lost fanboys' and ignore its existence. They are not interested in insightful conversations, new knowledge or historical facts. They view their forum as support for just their own theories. They are not interested in changing their minds and do not welcome what they view as dissenting opinions. A message board is basically an owner's own personal fiefdom and as the owner, they make and enforce the rules. As far as Proboard is concern, it it pretty much considered fair usage providing they don't violate the very broad TOS. They are not allowed to defame you or any living person, violate intellectual property laws or make threats. I can not speak about whether a personal conviction of a board owner would be a factor when it comes to Proboard's TOS. Such behavior is on public record and though it is extremely distasteful and reprehensible, it doesn't have anything to do with the message board's topic. It just is a heads up about the value system of the board owner. If you have been the target of slander, libel and lies then I really suggest contacting Proboards. Here are Proboards terms of service Report abuse
The other thing you might consider is contacting the organization that claims the board as their official message board and allows them to use their name as part of its URL. I can't believe that any international organization would appreciate having their personal brand being misused. In the meantime, I will always look forward to your next posts.
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mac
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Oct 12, 2015 22:24:10 GMT
Post by mac on Oct 12, 2015 22:24:10 GMT
William I agree with you wholeheartedly.
The news story is very distressing in that it occurred but it is good to see schools taking the necessary precautions to protect children.
Personally I rarely view his site as it is chaotic and full of nonsense. When I began to seek answers I quickly realised that none were to be found there.
I too would like to see more of your ideas here, where discussion is rational and thoughtful.
Cheers
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dave
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Oct 13, 2015 4:05:31 GMT
Post by dave on Oct 13, 2015 4:05:31 GMT
Will, I too have had issues recently with several posters and the moderator on the board you are referring to in your post. I have stayed the course posting on the board and finally realized that discussion of known factual information along with reputable testimony of participants was not the goal but rather the propagation of their own twisted version of the battle.
Serious attempts of posting the truth to the members and visitors to the board are ridiculed, edited to change meaning or just deleted by the moderator. The outlandish charges that are made, the innuendos, along with twisting of the truth and just out and out lies leads one to despair of that board ever being legitimate.
I have decided to no longer be a member of that board in spite of the taunts and accusations. I honestly believe there will be no further exchange of knowledge but just personal points of view and ridicule if not in agreement with the 3 or 4 leaders. The game is no longer worth the candle.
There will be no change with that board till the current moderator is removed. He and his cronies will just dominate the board with their continuous attacks at all non believers. Sad but true.
Regards
Dave
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Post by Beth on Oct 13, 2015 5:49:58 GMT
Have you ever heard the saying Never attempt to teach a pig to sing? It is a waste of your time and just annoys the pig.
You are never going to change the culture of that board. It is exactly as they want it to be and they have made it clear any attempt to the contrary is not welcome. I wonder sometimes if they didn't have people going over to try to present a more balanced view of history, if they would just run out of things to say and be sucked into a dark hole of their own making. The sad thing is that the LBHA facebook page is pretty much the same way.
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azranger
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Oct 13, 2015 11:41:24 GMT
Post by azranger on Oct 13, 2015 11:41:24 GMT
The board is not Rini's. It is the board of the LBHA of which several of us are members. Rini a well known reenactor is a member of the LBHA. They allow him to be the moderator and if they decided they could remove him. Myself as long as I am a member I choose not to let him be the only source of information on the associations board. Next June a lot of members from the various boards will be at the South Dakota meeting. I would hope anyone with a interest in the lbha organization attends this meeting.
Regards
AZ Ranger
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Oct 13, 2015 14:05:18 GMT
Post by yanmacca on Oct 13, 2015 14:05:18 GMT
I have not even checked the Billy Keogh board for months now, I used to pop in and read the odd post but I soon lost interest, the point is that I just don’t have the time and that is why I don’t post over on our old board, I only have around two hours per day to work on my site and post online so I have to dedicate my time to one site only otherwise I will spread myself too thin, so this is the only place.
So you are stuck with me for now!
Yan.
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carl
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Oct 13, 2015 14:48:42 GMT
Post by carl on Oct 13, 2015 14:48:42 GMT
The fewer posters unwilling to be Rini-toadiies, the better for him.
Thank god for Steve. I am sure he would appreciate more posters to help him challenge the idiocy on the other board.
Rather than being frustrated, take it as humorous in some of the theories and viewpoints.
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Oct 13, 2015 18:04:00 GMT
Post by quincannon on Oct 13, 2015 18:04:00 GMT
Keogh is like the Jubal Early of the Little Big Horn, if the facts get in the way of your delusions make up new "facts".
I applaud the efforts of Steve and Carl and perhaps a few others, BUT, in my heart of hearts I fully agree with William, it is hard to imagine a more disgusting person on this planet.
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Oct 14, 2015 21:16:18 GMT
Post by deadwoodgultch on Oct 14, 2015 21:16:18 GMT
Will, I agree with Curmudgeon/Chuck. I however will not abandon Steve. I have not had much time of late to make a pain of myself lately, over there. Will try to do better was Dave fighting the good fight before he left, Fred has bailed again. Can't give in to tyranny or it grows blaque, callmeconrad, Steve, Carl, Dan, and others are truthers.
Will, I know of your educational background, you were also an officer and a gentleman. Did you not ever use a senior NCO to do your light work, if not you missed a great deal of fun. Even when you did not ask I bet they did. We will see what turns up next door in the near future. Steve still uses you as a source of reason and knowledge, as does Dan.
Somehow, I think the criminal you allude to will have some discomfort in Rapid City, next Summer. He blanched when I introduced myself as dropin this past June. Fly to Elsworth Space-A, I will pick you up.
Enjoyed talking to you the other day.
Regards, Tom
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Post by yanmacca on Oct 15, 2015 12:00:19 GMT
I would love to see the look on your face Tom (and anyone else who posts on these boards) when a English man turns up at one of these conventions and says "alright lads hows tricks my name is Ian" I would also pop over to Chucks gaff and take him and his better half out for a drink.
Yan.
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Oct 15, 2015 12:55:11 GMT
Post by deadwoodgultch on Oct 15, 2015 12:55:11 GMT
Ian, We would all enjoy that, bring the bride with you. Chuck has the Broadmoor Hotel just down the road, I am sure he would hook you up.
Regards, Tom
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Oct 15, 2015 15:29:17 GMT
Post by quincannon on Oct 15, 2015 15:29:17 GMT
Well Rapid City to Chuck's gaff (whatever that is) is a damned long way to come for a drink. I suppose I could put up with you for an hour or two or ten.
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Oct 15, 2015 17:46:29 GMT
Post by yanmacca on Oct 15, 2015 17:46:29 GMT
Tom she would jump at the chance of going the states again, although she hates long flights, my problem would be to actually get her to go to one of these functions, my guess is that she would rather stick pins in her eyes.
Chuck here is the definition of the term “Gaff” Gaff! Chiefly British Slang: for a house, building, or apartment, especially where one resides.
Yan.
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Oct 15, 2015 17:53:28 GMT
Post by Beth on Oct 15, 2015 17:53:28 GMT
Tom she would jump at the chance of going the states again, although she hates long flights, my problem would be to actually get her to go to one of these functions, my guess is that she would rather stick pins in her eyes. Chuck here is the definition of the term “Gaff” Gaff! Chiefly British Slang: for a house, building, or apartment, especially where one resides. Yan. I'm glad you explained because it can mean something TOTALLY different as well--yeah I watch Rupaul as well.
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