Where Ito Fell

[quincannon]

Tomorrow is Sunday 25 June. One can only hope that we can mark the date next year with some relatively good news out of Russia.

[yanmacca]

Medvedev has said that the whole world is on the brink of catastrophe if the russian nuclear arsenal falls into the hands of bandits.

Ian

[herosrest]

US sources who should know, have Putin's PU airborne transponders off. That from an ex-Ambassador. 

On BBC - The authorities of the regions bordering Moscow have been taking increasingly serious steps to slow down the Wagner Group from approaching the Russian capital, such as closing roads or limiting traffic. It seems that in some cases, they have resorted to destroying the road. The BBC has verified videos of heavy machinery and tractors being used to dig up roads in the Lipetsk region road leading to Moscow.

The problem with Lipetsk news is that the flying column should have slready passed to the west, going north. 
No-one knows what's happening or where it is. 7-8 hour journey and they could already be in the outskirts of Moscow.

I gamed this scenario. If they do not take out the bridges, Moscow falls. I assume the Merc boss is after the Army Generals. I doubt the army will protect them. Kill your general or we'll kill you, your family and everyone in your town.  

Here's the thing. Ukraine could do the same. Take Moscow.... game over.

[yanmacca]

Okay the party's over, wagner boys are doing a uturn and moving back, so the coup is over.
Never mind it was fun whilst it lasted.

Prigozhin better watch his back though, putin won't forget this

Ian

[quincannon]

We should do nothing except watch. Ukraine should do nothing but watch. Let them go at each other. Belarus is on the verge of a government overthrow too. Let that happen as well, and give the overthrowers all the help they need, which may very well be nothing.

When you shoot at each other, the one with the best aim and agility usually wins. With nukes no one wins and all the players know that. The Wagner Group is a criminal gang. Putin and his henchmen are too. Let them kill each other. The world will be better off, but criminal does not equate to insane, and only the insane would use a nuke in the 21st Century.

The worst thing Ukraine could do is make a move toward and take Moscow. That would unite the Russian people to defend The Rodina to their last breath. Never bite what you cannot possibly chew.

[herosrest]

Rebellion over.

[herosrest]

Jun 24, 2023 17:50:06 GMT quincannon said:

We should do nothing except watch. Ukraine should do nothing but watch. Let them go at each other. Belarus is on the verge of a government overthrow too. Let that happen as well, and give the overthrowers all the help they need, which may very well be nothing.

When you shoot at each other, the one with the best aim and agility usually wins. With nukes no one wins and all the players know that. The Wagner Group is a criminal gang. Putin and his henchmen are too. Let them kill each other. The world will be better off, but criminal does not equate to insane, and only the insane would use a nuke in the 21st Century.

The worst thing Ukraine could do is make a move toward and take Moscow. That would unite the Russian people to defend The Rodina to their last breath. Never bite what you cannot possibly chew.

A lot of Russians will tll you they love their Country.   Loads of 'em.

[quincannon]

And they will be telling you the God's honest unvarnished truth too

[quincannon]

Ian: I think watching his back is a wee bit of an understatement considering the totality of the circumstances. You watch your back when someone who does not like you is around and in your presence. When you march on Moscow, there is a bit more seriousness too the issue.

Nevertheless watching his back is what he should be doing, not to mention surrounding himself with about a million or so of his closest friends in a bomb proof bunker about a thousand feet below ground.

Don't really think this is over though. There is something much bigger brewing. Let's see if the Wagner's keep control of Rostov. That should be an indicator of things to come.

The opera from Vienna sucked today, but there is something with promise on TV tonight, a documentry about Robert Rogers' raid on the Saint Francis Indians, made somewhat immortal by Kenneth Roberts in "Northwest Passage" and Tracy and Young in the movie of the same name.

[yanmacca]

Well QC, We have been watching three news channels over the last few hours, BBC (of course), Sky News and CNN and all the experts from around the world have said that Prigozhin is a dead man walking. When you get a gang of filth like the Wagner group, there will be a few of them at the top who would sell their souls for gold or power, Putin could tickle the fancy of these fickle bad stabbing friends of Prigozhin, so if I was him I would be watching who was pouring my tea .

Lukashenko has raised his head to claim that he has brokerd this deal, yeah right I hope his own people have their knives out ready to do him in, all they are waiting for is for Putin lose his grip, then he is gone.

Susan is well up on Mr Putin and his gang, I got her a book last year titled "killer in the kremlin" by John Sweeney, she reckons the stuff he got away with shows what kind of a man he is, ruthless.

Ian

[quincannon]

Dead man walking, completely agree. Mankind longs to be free Ian. It was that way when your ancestors threw off the Roman yoke. It was the vision of Camelot that has sustained humanity throughout the centuries. Justice, equality, respect for others not necessarily like ourselves, is the ultimate goal, and idiots like Putin, Trump, Lukashenko, and banditti like Prishit, or whatever the hell his name is, stand as temporary roadblocks to mankind's forward march. Ask that Italian who fornicated with pigs what hanging upside down in a gas station, or that Austrian paperhanger who ended up having gasoline poured on him in a dirty ditch in Berlin came to understand about the futility of being a despot is like. You might want to warn Mr Pigshit not to straighten any pictures in his living room when Bob Ford is around as well.

Belarus is ripe for the picking, and when it is picked it will fall into the basket of the west. I don't think it will even take Putin slipping a bit, there is enough in Belarus already saying enough is enough.