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Post by yanmacca on Mar 9, 2016 19:32:16 GMT
Chuck I would guess that the river bank would be alive with Indians once the soldiers appeared, especially if they came out of the blue via the eastern slope of battle ridge and that long ravine that took you to the high ground overlooking the northern fords. So I would guess that they would be taking fire as they withdrew, especially if they diverted and headed towards cemetery ridge, as this would leave them open to enemy fire from their right flank.
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Post by Beth on Mar 9, 2016 19:54:50 GMT
Ian: No fault attaches. Never have seen you use the word other than in the historical context. I would suspect Beth or any other, would feel the same. I never have a problem with words used in their historical context and especially in a historic quote. My problem is when some words are used in modern context. It's kind of like the words Nips and Krauts--if you are quoting a source from WWII then those labels fit. If you are talking about the people who many have build a car or piece of electronics you are currently using--not so much. Also please keep in mind when I make a comment like about the usage of squaw, sometimes those are messages for prosperity--future members of the board to let them know if something is acceptable. In the future I will try to make it clear when I am wearing my board owner/moderator hat. |
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Post by Beth on Mar 9, 2016 20:20:49 GMT
Chuck, I must say that this is all my fault and I shouldn’t have been a smart arse and tried to bring up the past augment with the Irisher from another time, I forgot that Beth was not around at that time and has no idea what I was referring to, so it was all my fault. Somehow I feel like I am on a different page from everyone else. I admit currently I have been having to deal with a foggy brain so I am slow on the uptake. Can someone drop me a PM and explain. |
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Post by Beth on Mar 9, 2016 20:25:30 GMT
I am curious--what items do you consider concrete facts when it comes to the battle. The items that have to be accounted for and explained in any proposed theory?
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Post by yanmacca on Mar 9, 2016 20:32:28 GMT
Beth all this happened a couple of years ago when a certain person was out to get me, I innocently used the phrase squaw and was hit by a set of posts stating that it offended him and that I should be forced to take my post down and apologies, it was done out of spite because as far as I know the term squaw for means the same in little Ireland (were he came from) and Great Britain (were I come from), now the big difference is that you are genuine and thats why I offered you an apology, he was not and he got nothing off me, but now and again I bring it up to remind both myself and the few here that may remember the incident, just how nasty some people are.
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Post by Beth on Mar 9, 2016 21:00:53 GMT
Beth all this happened a couple of years ago when a certain person was out to get me, I innocently used the phrase squaw and was hit by a set of posts stating that it offended him and that I should be forced to take my post down and apologies, it was done out of spite because as far as I know the term squaw for means the same in little Ireland (were he came from) and Great Britain (were I come from), now the big difference is that you are genuine and thats why I offered you an apology, he was not and he got nothing off me, but now and again I bring it up to remind both myself and the few here that may remember the incident, just how nasty some people are. That explains all and I also now have a very good idea to whom you are referring to. That person was a bully who used his words as his weapons. He should have been smart enough to understand that offensiveness depends not only on the usage but also on the background of the user. For example Germans (and other Europeans) have a rather fanciful view of Indians backed from generations reading Karl May's books like American kids used to read the Hardy Boys. They may use words like redskin, squaw, buck and papoose in perfect innocence of how they might be offensive because of the images they grew up with. I found this article that highlights what I mean. Germany's Obsession With American Indians Is Touching—And Occasionally Surreal |
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Mar 9, 2016 21:11:53 GMT
Ian,
I get along with Richard, I remember the incident. He and I jousted over whether the Cheyenne had numbers or not. That is settled. We still disagree on Benteen. If he can get under your skin he will. In my case he took as good as he gave. He may be coming to the battlefield this Summer, I look forward to his company and engaging him regarding Benteen. I know how you feel, but, you should forgive, you don't have to forget.
Regards,
Tom
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Post by quincannon on Mar 9, 2016 22:08:54 GMT
In that case I am fortunate I will be in Virginia. You are a better man than I Tonto.
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Post by dave on Mar 9, 2016 22:43:00 GMT
Yan
I would not loose any sleepover the deal with DLIW as it is of no consequence. You are not a hateful person who slyly attempts to twist words or intentions so stay out of the sty!
Like it has been stated in the past we are two countries separated by a common language. I use to squint when my "Cockney" brother in law said he was out of fags. Had no idea he was talking about smokes! So an innocent use of a word that can have a pejorative meaning elsewhere is not a sin. Using it while aware of the meaning is another kettle of fish.
I remember reading the other board when DC used the term aborigines when describing the Indians and many took offense. The word is perfectly correct and appropriate unless it causes offense to that group.
Half of the states in the USA are Indian names from Alabama to Wyoming. Indian words are used for counties, cities, resorts and for team mascots. The Seminole tribe has supported Florida State in using them as their mascot and other schools like the University of North Dakota changed from the Fighting Sioux to the Fighting Hawks. Go figure.
Regards
Dave
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Mar 9, 2016 23:23:33 GMT
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Mar 9, 2016 23:24:05 GMT
Next I will be a squaw man!
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Post by quincannon on Mar 10, 2016 0:12:01 GMT
I had no idea. My apologies.
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Post by dave on Mar 10, 2016 5:48:52 GMT
Not a complaint but merely an observation. Today in this country we are all tippy toeing around concerned we might offend someone with a word or gesture and Heaven forbid us not being politically correct. I read in the Minneapolis Star Tribune an article where the Wisconsin Interscholastic Athletic Association has banned negative cheering at High School Basketball games. Chants of "air ball" or "we can't hear you" and especially the hideous example of reading a newspaper when the opposing team is introduced have been stopped. Crazy indeed.
Mayhaps we should no longer keep score in games and not have championships because someone would lose and have their self worth questioned. It has gotten to the point that some folks want to have the Bible become gender neutral and that we should not denote gender by titles or words.
The political parties are having a high ole time of name calling and comparisons of opponents that has become positively juvenile referring to body parts as well as talking out of both sides of the mouth---imagine that---about campaign finance reform while still taking money from unions and Wall Street. They are becoming whores for the money and I sure don't see anyone looking out for an old 66 year white male best interests. Have you? Have I missed a promise to assist me and my family? I foolishly worked for 40 plus years saving and scrimping as best as I could for my wife, kids and grand kids and NO ONE came to help pay my loans, house mortgage, utilities, car notes or school/tuition costs yet I am allowed the Patriotic Duty, ala Joe Biden to pay taxes.
I am not anti-immigrant but do opine we should use the immigration policy we have on the books instead of just allowing all to come on in and use all our services. Sounds cruel does it not but are you aware of the Mexican Immigration Policy with Central Americans who enter Mexico? Look for yourself.
Just a few thoughts not expecting much agreement because as it is stated I have paid my fair share of taxes! What a fair, what a share.
Regards
Dave
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Post by deadwoodgultch on Mar 10, 2016 11:50:57 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I may very well be the most irreverent, politically incorrect individual on this board. I would much rather know what a person is thinking, really believes, and not have them hiding behind political correctness.
Chuck, no harm, no foul. I hope you are in VA early enough for us to get together. Your humor is much like my own, never hold back on my account. Be careful, maybe, with newbies. I knew what I said would not be roundly applauded.
Now to my "Squaw Man" comment, as I am sure you all know, in the context of the times we discuss(mostly) on this board, simply meant married to an NA woman(squaw). The term was used by white and NA as well, some used it in a derogatory fashion.
David, most of what you discuss is part and parcel of a government's tentacles reaching down into society in attempt to control group think. Consideration for others, understanding, and social values should be taught by families. But, we see a breakdown of the family and teaching of those values by the family, History is poorly taught at all levels of education, it , in many cases, is taught with an agenda. Also we have ceased to learn many of the lessons of history, throughout our society. Much like the news today, don't filter it, just report it, let me draw my own conclusions.
Back to the LBH, elsewhere on the board, Beth asked, was the village really sleeping? My blanket answer would be no. The NA's knew other army units were in the area. Tribal members were told to stay close, the rule was being enforced by one of the warrior societies. The discussion had been made on high, how to receive this new threat, whether to talk or immediately meet the threat with force. The reason for answering this here is simply that it shows command and control. I think I could elaborate on this if required.
Regards,
Tom
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Post by yanmacca on Mar 10, 2016 11:58:22 GMT
Dave, as the old saying goes, if you are a straight white male, who is over fifty, then there is nothing down for you.
May I take a second to say that I am not a sexist or racists and not xenophobic or homophobic, I treat everyone the same, no matter who they are.
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